Brexit delayed

[Sandydragon]

The issue of capital controls was raised at the represent Labour Party youth conference.

Here is McDonnell quoted a few years ago

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... K120150914


Do we think he has changed since then? I doubt it? He isn’t making a formal policy out of capital controls as it will bring ridicule, instead he socialises the idea through the youth wing which he can disown if necessary whilst not avoiding the idea completely. This guys views haven’t changed radically for 50 years, are we supposed to believe that getting the shadow chancellor role would suddenly lead to a Damascene conversion?

It gives him enough leeway for his supporters to state it won’t happen, particularly as labour is being vague on policy.

[kk67]

The issue of capital controls.

War is capital.

[Digby]

The issue of capital controls.

War is capital.

We could agree it's capitalised

[Digby]

First there were nearly 60 brexit impact studies then there were not, then there were 58 but they couldn't be discussed, then they were in some way morphed into onto document but supplied heavily redacted which MPs in both leave and remain camps thought an abuse of Parliament, and today David Davies sent a junior minister to explain his failings. Which has left us with David Davies being told he's been summoned himself as he can't hope to get out of his public bollocking.

I suspect we're going to find out the government has a number of documents, and they weren't released not as they're remotely worth classifying but because they're laughably inept.

[fivepointer]

we are STILL being led by fools, charlatans, liars and incompetents not remotely interested in conducting our national affairs openly and honestly.
This is too serious to be classified as a farce.
If this level of gross inadequacy and stupidity was going on in any major organisation those responsible would be out on their ear.

[Digby]

we are STILL being led by fools, charlatans, liars and incompetents not remotely interested in conducting our national affairs openly and honestly.
This is too serious to be classified as a farce.
If this level of gross inadequacy and stupidity was going on in any major organisation those responsible would be out on their ear.

They might well be out come the next election. Though whether that's any sort of comfort with Momentum as the next government I don't know

[fivepointer]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nt-britain

Very good piece that echoes much of my thinking on this disaster.

[Mellsblue]

According to plenty of reports today the U.K. has agreed to cough up circa £50billion and all of a sudden we’re ready to go with a transition agreement and a solution to the Irish border. Some would say it’s typical EU with money as a clear priority, others would say why didn’t we just offer the cash in the first place and avoid all the aggro, others would say everything in the public domain is balls and posturing. I’d agree with all three, especially the last point. Which, in relation to the reports I’ve read today, means the public position on both sides will change five times before close of play, and Juncker will change his mind with every new glass of wine - which is to say a lot.

[Mikey Brown]

Is it sorted yet? Is it done? I just found 10 euros in my drawer and I’m worried it’s too late.

[Stones of granite]

Is it sorted yet? Is it done? I just found 10 euros in my drawer and I’m worried it’s too late.

You're in luck. Corbyn won't be able to put capital controls in place until next March at the earliest, so you'll still be able to leave the country with 10 yoyos in your wallet until then.

[Sandydragon]

According to plenty of reports today the U.K. has agreed to cough up circa £50billion and all of a sudden we’re ready to go with a transition agreement and a solution to the Irish border. Some would say it’s typical EU with money as a clear priority, others would say why didn’t we just offer the cash in the first place and avoid all the aggro, others would say everything in the public domain is balls and posturing. I’d agree with all three, especially the last point. Which, in relation to the reports I’ve read today, means the public position on both sides will change five times before close of play, and Juncker will change his mind with every new glass of wine - which is to say a lot.

It was always going to be thus. Both sides starting points were unreasonable and they have made a compromise. No huge surprise. Both sides playin*to the media and noisy elements.

The really interesting bit will be the trade agreement. If the first half was annoying, that has potential to reach a whole new level of shyte.

[Digby]

UK might devolve enough powers to the NIA that it can decide independently to retain EU court oversight and this retain a soft border with Ireland. Doesn't seem on the face of it he DUP would much like that.

[Digby]

Good news for Phillip Hammond today, the DUP are insisting they be treated the same as the rest of the UK which I presume means they were making a point about the Barnett formula and will thus be returning the bribe they took to enter into a confidence and support motion. Not often one thinks of integrity in the same sentence as the DUP but fair play on this one

[Stones of granite]

Further erosion of the "taking back control" narrative.
https://news.sky.com/story/govt-to-stay ... e-11151049

So, it seems that someone in the Brexit team has woken up to the reality of the UK having no international air traffic as a result of a lack of an internationally recognised regulatory body following Brexit. The result is that the CAA remains as the EASA branch office, we contribute (no doubt) to the running of the EASA, remain under ECJ jurisdiction for aviation matters, but no longer have a seat at the decision making table.

Good job fuckwits.

[Digby]

David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

[Which Tyler]

David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

Surely this increases the desire to fire Green!

[Stones of granite]

David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

I understand that Damian Green is denying any involvement. I'm not sure which is worse, viewing porn on a work computer or allowing someone else access to a government issue personal computer that is presumably full of sensitive information.

[Digby]

David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

I understand that Damian Green is denying any involvement. I'm not sure which is worse, viewing porn on a work computer or allowing someone else access to a government issue personal computer that is presumably full of sensitive information.

And again being to critical of the police in public fashion, it's a very weird way to manage the problem for the supposed law and order party. Although it's also weird the police are talking in public fashion.

[Digby]

David Davis warns if the wanker at work Damian Green is fired he'll resign. Some things are clearly a matter of principle, and for Davis prioritising friends who download porn on a work computer at work takes precedent over Brexit

Surely this increases the desire to fire Green!

Yes, but who replaces them? JRM to the rescue?

[Sandydragon]

And if th ministers refuse to be fired? May has zero authority and this truce which effectively involves propping her up and keeping the life support going long enough to get to brexit will fall apart if big players are r moved or resign.

[Donny osmond]

Sack the fecker. Davis can gtf as well. The govt will fall apart, we'll have an election and someone will be elected in who just abandons the entire Brexit clusterfuck. Alright we lose an almighty amount of international respect but at least we won't lose an almighty amount of international respect AND be bankrupt for generations to come.

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[Stones of granite]

Sack the fecker. Davis can gtf as well. The govt will fall apart, we'll have an election and someone will be elected in who just abandons the entire Brexit clusterfuck. Alright we lose an almighty amount of international respect but at least we won't lose an almighty amount of international respect AND be bankrupt for generations to come.

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Who do you that “someone”would be? They would need to both stand on a clear platform of reversing Brexit, and win a clear mandate. I’m not sure there’s anyone with the bottle to the do the first, and I’m not sure how the cards are stacked for the second.

[Donny osmond]

No I agree the spineless feckers wouldnt stand on that platform. I accept this will be seen as wishful thinking, but I genuinely think anyone who stood on that platform would win.

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[Mellsblue]

No I agree the spineless feckers wouldnt stand on that platform. I accept this will be seen as wishful thinking, but I genuinely think anyone who stood on that platform would win.

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The Lib Dems did at the last GE and it didn’t go so well for them. Similar story in Scotland for the pro-EU parties, as far as I’m aware. I thought the same as you prior to the GE, that the Lib Dems would go well as the only pro-EU party, and said as much on here, but that’s not how it turned out.

[Which Tyler]

I think it surprised a lot of us, Brexiteers just wasn't an issue at the GE - largely because Lab and Con were both saying the same thing there, whilst LibDem a] weren't prepared for a GE (bloody idiots); b] has a toxic leader; and c] haven't been forgiven for the coalition.
If you didn't like those 3 things about LibDem (or any of their policies) then there was no-one else running on a pro-EU platform.