Solomona Slurs

[Which Tyler]

Has Rowan got a new username?

But no, I don't think so

[belgarion]

The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

Yeah, I wasn't really serious about either the hang-over theory or the not-really-dead.

As for Easter... Yes, there are many derivations of the Germanic god's, there's the British and the Norse for just 2, with many, often subtle differences in there.
However, paganism definitely predates Christianity, and I don't really think you can claim that pagan hijacked the Christian festival for spring; that's... pretty ludicrous TBH.
Whether you call the goddess/celebration Ostara, Ishtar, Eostre, Eastra, Beltain* or whatever, it came first, and is timed based on the cycles of the moon (fertility) and still retains just about all of its imagery (other than crosses) from paganism.

All religions borrow stuff from other religions/traditions - including things like the great flood and the resurrection myth (I don't remember if that was a Sumerian or Egyptian original, but both had it IIRC)

* More accurately related to May Day and virgins dancing around a phallus; but I have seen it conflated with Easter as well.

Which Christians got wrong anyway. research has shown that the Romans more than likely used an 'X' shaped cross
& not the Vertical support/Horizontal bar as is used for the crucifix. This is further corroborated by the decoration of the shields
carried by the legionaries of Constantine

[Which Tyler]

Which Christians got wrong anyway. research has shown that the Romans more than likely used an 'X' shaped cross & not the Vertical support/Horizontal bar as is used for the crucifix. This is further corroborated by the decoration of the shields carried by the legionaries of Constantine

Didn't know that, but it makes sense, much better structural support, and probably easier to make.

Of course, I now have to go verify this

[L'Historien]

Has Rowan got a new username?

I’ll take that as a compliment!

[L'Historien]

Which Christians got wrong anyway. research has shown that the Romans more than likely used an 'X' shaped cross & not the Vertical support/Horizontal bar as is used for the crucifix. This is further corroborated by the decoration of the shields carried by the legionaries of Constantine

Didn't know that, but it makes sense, much better structural support, and probably easier to make.

Of course, I now have to go verify this

The emblem on the shield is not a cross. It is two letters of the Greek alphabet chi (X) and rho (r, but looks like P) being the first letters of Christos, that is Christ. It predates the dominance of the cross as the main Christian symbol which dates from the time of Constantine.

The Romans had more than one form of crucifixion. The description and early graffiti suggests the T shape with the bar being the part carries. St Andrew is recorded as being crucified on the X shape.

[L'Historien]

The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

Yeah, I wasn't really serious about either the hang-over theory or the not-really-dead.

As for Easter... Yes, there are many derivations of the Germanic god's, there's the British and the Norse for just 2, with many, often subtle differences in there.
However, paganism definitely predates Christianity, and I don't really think you can claim that pagan hijacked the Christian festival for spring; that's... pretty ludicrous TBH.
Whether you call the goddess/celebration Ostara, Ishtar, Eostre, Eastra, Beltain* or whatever, it came first, and is timed based on the cycles of the moon (fertility) and still retains just about all of its imagery (other than crosses) from paganism.

All religions borrow stuff from other religions/traditions - including things like the great flood and the resurrection myth (I don't remember if that was a Sumerian or Egyptian original, but both had it IIRC)

* More accurately related to May Day and virgins dancing around a phallus; but I have seen it conflated with Easter as well.

You’re right, there are many spring festivals that predate Easter, and the way I phrased my thought sounds pretty ludicrous!

I was probably thinking more of Puja’s comment that Easter is ‘just’ a fertility rite. Rituals can change and meanings can change. One group can celebrate pagan spring and another can celebrate the resurrection of Christ.

Passover, for example. It’s significance is the Exodus from Egypt and this is what it commemorates today. It may originally have been connected to the nomadic herdsmen of the Fertile Crescent moving to new pastures for spring grazing. But the event of the Exodus changed the meaning.
The death and resurrection of Christ is commemorated at the same time because of the event described. It does not derive from a spring fertility rite - but certainly lends itself to it, so enjoy the chocolate bunnies!

[Mellsblue]

Farking hell. I think I might go back to discussing ring fencing with Which.

[Banquo]

Farking hell. I think I might go back to discussing ring fencing with Which.

we seem to be in perpetual silly season mode.

[p/d]

I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

[Banquo]

I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

the old DFS defence

[Which Tyler]

I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

Cheap? Only in comparison to the increase they add between February 1st and Good Friday.
More expensive than April through November (though they're trying to change this by doing the same before and during Black Friday... Which seems to last a lot longer than a Friday already)

[Puja]

I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

the old DFS defence

I think you'll find that Denny F-ing Solomona's defence is less than watertight.

Puja

[p/d]

Know your size know your flow and you will ALWAYS be watertight

[Mikey Brown]

Is that what Shillcock is alleged to have said that kicked it all off?

[Galfon]

It sounds like Solomona was relating to a well known tasty Midlands dish as per the recent Basteraud incident.
Shillcock may well be younger, smaller, prettier and, who knows, more talented than yer man but if he's used the slur so soon after recent events it shows him to be a somewhat shameful person.

[Mikey Brown]

And a total fucking moron. Not that that’s punishable.

[kk67]

I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

He was a bit of a sofa...... but a sofa with an intelligent offload.
Only Launch does that stuff now.

[Digby]

I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

He was a bit of a sofa...... but a sofa with an intelligent offload.
Only Launch does that stuff now.

Finally we're in agreement, Easter was a sofa, without doubt a La-Z Boy

[Banquo]

I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

He was a bit of a sofa...... but a sofa with an intelligent offload.
Only Launch does that stuff now.

Finally we're in agreement, Easter was a sofa, without doubt a La-Z Boy

I'd settle for that. Sofa so good

[Which Tyler]

Lawes' new nickname: See Courtney Slam

[Puja]

It's been a long time since I've thought about going to Courts about a settee.

Puja

[Mikey Brown]

It's been a long time since I've thought about going to Courts about a settee.

Puja

I don't think I've ever seen that word written down before.

Is that an accepted spelling? I don't know how else you'd do it.

[Oakboy]

It's been a long time since I've thought about going to Courts about a settee.

Puja

I don't think I've ever seen that word written down before.

Is that an accepted spelling? I don't know how else you'd do it.

Couch.

[Digby]

Did Denny suggest Shillcock would be going to hell? And where does rugby draw a line in comments being made?

[Mellsblue]

4 weeks.