Brexit delayed

[Digby]

The EU it would seem is slightly playing silly games saying talks will struggle to progress absent of first securing a solution for Ireland. That said it shouldn't prove a surprise given we've given a countdown that the EU is using the countdown we imposed on ourselves against us. And this is only the fun the EU is having at our expense, at some point individual countries in the 27 could start to have a bit of fun at our expense.

[Sandydragon]

The EU it would seem is slightly playing silly games saying talks will struggle to progress absent of first securing a solution for Ireland. That said it shouldn't prove a surprise given we've given a countdown that the EU is using the countdown we imposed on ourselves against us. And this is only the fun the EU is having at our expense, at some point individual countries in the 27 could start to have a bit of fun at our expense.

Spain for example.

[Digby]

Labour proving a hardy old bunch

[Digby]

Essentially taking back control means having the option to control our borders, but in reality having no actual border checks. Great job Brexiters, just exemplary stuff. And even this plan relies on the EU playing along with our border policy of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, move along there's nothing to see here.

[Mellsblue]

Essentially taking back control means having the option to control our borders, but in reality having no actual border checks. Great job Brexiters, just exemplary stuff. And even this plan relies on the EU playing along with our border policy of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, move along there's nothing to see here.

I don’t like this line. Taking back control means deciding how we control, not putting in place more control.
The govt could choose to have no border control and unlimited immigration from round the world. It ain’t going to happen as it’s the opposite of what was proposed but it’d still be under U.K. govt control.
By all means say it bonkers, but don’t then link it to ‘taking back control’. Not unless you want to start quoting yourself, claiming Italian food is British cuisine and trying to finish any and every argument, regardless of topic, with the line that the US and U.K. have killed more people in the last 200 years than any other country and therefore now guilty of everything from changing the name of Marathon to Snickers up to dropping chemical weapons in Syria.

[Digby]

Essentially taking back control means having the option to control our borders, but in reality having no actual border checks. Great job Brexiters, just exemplary stuff. And even this plan relies on the EU playing along with our border policy of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, move along there's nothing to see here.

I don’t like this line. Taking back control means deciding how we control, not putting in place more control.
The govt could choose to have no border control and unlimited immigration from round the world. It ain’t going to happen as it’s the opposite of what was proposed but it’d still be under U.K. govt control.
By all means say it bonkers, but don’t then link it to ‘taking back control’. Not unless you want to start quoting yourself, claiming Italian food is British cuisine and trying to finish any and every argument, regardless of topic, with the line that the US and U.K. have killed more people in the last 200 years than any other country and therefore now guilty of everything from changing the name of Marathon to Snickers up to dropping chemical weapons in Syria.

It's barking mad given the guff spouted about taking back control to then posit we have hard border, just hard borders that are open with no checks and a hope the EU plays along with reciprocity.

Of course this all goes back of course to a vote for Brexit not establishing what was actually wanted and how it could be done, and okay the Brexit camp went along the Trump lines of lower taxes and increased services but it's still with the electorate to explain why they bought into such nonsense. Mind when the likes of Mogg, disgraced former defence secretary Fox, and Davies stand up to explain how it's easy and Italy wants to sell us Prosecco I wonder if they appreciate how much they resemble Corbyn saying he'll pay for everything not by printing money.

[Banquo]

Peace in our time apparently. I'm also impressed that Twitter has becoming the new negotiating tool.

[Digby]

Both sides had to agree to this as there wasn't any time to do otherwise, but at least we didn't drop the undropable ball even if it's someways off a new VE day

[Zhivago]

Where did Article 32 go???

[kk67]

I'm sure we discussed Cambridge Analytica after the Brexit vote. That was a trial run for them.
This story has been running in Private Eye for more than a year.

[kk67]

According to today's PE we are now desperately trying to stay inside all future defence contracts and negotiations and controls of the on going defence of Europe. It would be nice to think that a benevolent Sir Humphrey was ensuring this remained but it seems to be our arms industry that will probably force the issue.
A promise to maybe buy 48 Typhoons..... (11 a year made)...like MBS needs more weaponry to punish Yemen.

[kk67]

Chris Patten talking about Jacob Rees-Mogg:
'The thing about Jacob is, he had some interesting opinions when he was a charming but somewhat eccentric 8 year old.
Problem is, he has the same opinions now he's 48'

[kk67]

Vince....He doesn't even have to try to rip the self interested to pieces. They do it for him.

[Digby]

Another month gone, still no detail.

The only investment at my firm into the UK now revolves around legal fees establishing future compliance issues. And we just can't be the only people in this situation. We have though got a nice offer on some offices in Ireland to relocate much of the work currently done in the UK (actually we've got a nice offer of some property in the Northern Ireland Science Park too which might be an option depending on what happens over the border)

I don't know we'll actually need to move much as such a large part of the work is now run out of Poland and India. They might just close us down in the UK rather than move what's left, other than the partners who will I assume continue to potter around the UK with the odd trip to Europe and the USA thrown in

[kk67]

Another month gone, still no detail.

The only investment at my firm into the UK now revolves around legal fees establishing future compliance issues.

Seems like everyone is trying to privately negotiate the same deals they had before.
Dr.Foxy is out of his depth. Probably a good GP,....not a trade minister.

[Stones of granite]

Another month gone, still no detail.

The only investment at my firm into the UK now revolves around legal fees establishing future compliance issues.

Seems like everyone is trying to privately negotiate the same deals they had before.
Dr.Foxy is out of his depth. Probably a good GP,....not a trade minister.

I bet not. I bet he’s as useless a GP as he is a trade minister.

[Digby]

Another month gone, still no detail.

The only investment at my firm into the UK now revolves around legal fees establishing future compliance issues.

Seems like everyone is trying to privately negotiate the same deals they had before.
Dr.Foxy is out of his depth. Probably a good GP,....not a trade minister.

I bet not. I bet he’s as useless a GP as he is a trade minister.

Given his status as the disgraced former defence secretary it beggars belief he's any kind of minister. That the PM and other cabinet members are able to move so quickly past the huge corruption allegations he opened himself to says nothing good for them, frankly they're holding the voters in contempt by accepting him into cabinet.

[Stones of granite]

Seems like everyone is trying to privately negotiate the same deals they had before.
Dr.Foxy is out of his depth. Probably a good GP,....not a trade minister.

I bet not. I bet he’s as useless a GP as he is a trade minister.

Given his status as the disgraced former defence secretary it beggars belief he's any kind of minister. That the PM and other cabinet members are able to move so quickly past the huge corruption allegations he opened himself to says nothing good for them, frankly they're holding the voters in contempt by accepting him into cabinet.

Couldn't agree more. I know a couple of people who were at school with him. He was a prick then too.

[Sandydragon]

I bet not. I bet he’s as useless a GP as he is a trade minister.

Given his status as the disgraced former defence secretary it beggars belief he's any kind of minister. That the PM and other cabinet members are able to move so quickly past the huge corruption allegations he opened himself to says nothing good for them, frankly they're holding the voters in contempt by accepting him into cabinet.

Couldn't agree more. I know a couple of people who were at school with him. He was a prick then too.

If he weren’t a high profile brexiteer then he would be nowhere near the cabinet. I think, that May decided long ago that whilst we can’t negotiate our own trade treaties, there was no harm in letting himglobe trot and talk shyte. It’s another leading brexiteer who is now bound by cabinet collective responsibility and is spending lots of time abroad where he can’t influence the debate that much. A bit like Boris, except that the post of foreign secretary is a lot more important.

[kk67]

If dodgy business practises were the criteria for holding democratically elected posts then over half the cabinet would be barred from holding public office.

[Mellsblue]

The poll you’ve all been waiting for:

[kk67]

Jim Royal...???.

You fecking morons know nothing about L'pool.

[kk67]

'CUNK ON BRITAIN'.....

Yeah. I'm in.

[Digby]

A Downing Street spokesperson confirms if the government loses the vote this week in the Commons on the customs union they will not change policy. All hail the return of the primacy of parliament!

[Mellsblue]

The vote being advisory only, of course.