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Spiffy wrote:All is ordered in the universe once again - England are fekkkking brilliant, Joe Cocker is the new Jonah (and he only needs one hand), Youngs/Farrell just get better and better, Morris confirms they would have humped the All Blacks today. Breath easily - the RWC's in the bag.
Big worry was our wide defence- we gave up a ton of easy yards. Oh and kicking too much. Sinckler and Billy included.fivepointer wrote:8 tries, 57 pts. Thats not a bad return, is it?
Didnt manage to see all the game but there were some good moments and tries.
Our scrum looked good, so well done Genge and Big Joe was a right handful. Kruis seemed to have a tremendous all round game.
Banquo wrote:Big worry was our wide defence- we gave up a ton of easy yards. Oh and kicking too much. Sinckler and Billy included.fivepointer wrote:8 tries, 57 pts. Thats not a bad return, is it?
Didnt manage to see all the game but there were some good moments and tries.
Our scrum looked good, so well done Genge and Big Joe was a right handful. Kruis seemed to have a tremendous all round game.
both, we were again bested on possession (40/60) because kicking has become something of a default, we give the ball away too much. Obviously it didn't cost us in this game, but....it did against Wales and ended up tiring us out having to both chase and then defend so much.Rich wrote:Banquo wrote:Big worry was our wide defence- we gave up a ton of easy yards. Oh and kicking too much. Sinckler and Billy included.fivepointer wrote:8 tries, 57 pts. Thats not a bad return, is it?
Didnt manage to see all the game but there were some good moments and tries.
Our scrum looked good, so well done Genge and Big Joe was a right handful. Kruis seemed to have a tremendous all round game.
You mean kicking poorly.
That is the biggest worry.Scrumhead wrote:Will that happen now Shields has scored two easy tries? Personally I’m worried that’s all he needed to leapfrog Wilson ...
Kruis is just fit again I'd say- always been classy.p/d wrote:Pleased for Kruis. Biggest cheer was to see Youngs and Farrell yanked followed by Italy scoring in the corner as our centres went awol and May tackling a doctor
Looking forward to Wilson getting back the 6 shirt and working in tandem with Curry next week.
which would be nuts when Wilson has pretty much been our best player this seasonScrumhead wrote:Will that happen now Shields has scored two easy tries? Personally I’m worried that’s all he needed to leapfrog Wilson ...
Somewhat taken aback by how passive our defence seemed to be, allowing Italy easy metres. Our ‘dominat’ Tackles must have been really low. Probably about the same number as the number of missed tackles by YoungsBanquo wrote:which would be nuts when Wilson has pretty much been our best player this seasonScrumhead wrote:Will that happen now Shields has scored two easy tries? Personally I’m worried that’s all he needed to leapfrog Wilson ...
Think the forwards did a fair few 'dominant' tackles, but we gave them uber easy yards in the backs. I blame Teop/d wrote:Somewhat taken aback by how passive our defence seemed to be, allowing Italy easy metres. Our ‘dominat’ Tackles must have been really low. Probably about the same number as the number of missed tackles by YoungsBanquo wrote:which would be nuts when Wilson has pretty much been our best player this seasonScrumhead wrote:Will that happen now Shields has scored two easy tries? Personally I’m worried that’s all he needed to leapfrog Wilson ...
. I suspect the 'intensity' was a mental thing, as in 'don't have to try too hard against this lot'. Could also be that Eddie beasted them in training, that's been the excuse posited before when we have dropped off.Exactly - a very Eddie Jones thing to do ...Banquo wrote:which would be nuts when Wilson has pretty much been our best player this seasonScrumhead wrote:Will that happen now Shields has scored two easy tries? Personally I’m worried that’s all he needed to leapfrog Wilson ...
I thought Big Joe was very slow to push up once Italy moved the ball wide and it became clear they weren’t going to kick into the back field. Couple of times it looked like Manu and Farrell were gesticulating to him along the lines of ‘where the f were you’.Banquo wrote:Big worry was our wide defence- we gave up a ton of easy yards. Oh and kicking too much. Sinckler and Billy included.fivepointer wrote:8 tries, 57 pts. Thats not a bad return, is it?
Didnt manage to see all the game but there were some good moments and tries.
Our scrum looked good, so well done Genge and Big Joe was a right handful. Kruis seemed to have a tremendous all round game.
It was May's wing where they made the bigger dent- they went fully 40 yards very easily. Defence was too narrow, and Faz and Teo too slow to react, dragging Manu in with them.Timbo wrote:I thought Big Joe was very slow to push up once Italy moved the ball wide and it became clear they weren’t going to kick into the back field. Couple of times it looked like Manu and Farrell were gesticulating to him along the lines of ‘where the f were you’.Banquo wrote:Big worry was our wide defence- we gave up a ton of easy yards. Oh and kicking too much. Sinckler and Billy included.fivepointer wrote:8 tries, 57 pts. Thats not a bad return, is it?
Didnt manage to see all the game but there were some good moments and tries.
Our scrum looked good, so well done Genge and Big Joe was a right handful. Kruis seemed to have a tremendous all round game.
A lot less double tackles I thought too. Maybe we thought we would be so dominant physically we didn’t want/need to commit the extra defenders.
Indeed, and if you are going to do a slow drift like that, you might want to stand wider or even one out; you also need some serious gas at 13.....#justsaying.Timbo wrote:We also align really weirdly sometimes in first phase defence. Feel like we are almost happy to give some teams yards on the outside as long as we stop them kicking deep. Or something. I don’t really know what we’re looking to achieve defending first phase sometimes.
The most obvious time we went very narrow and dropped two players very deep for the kick. Italy just moved the ball instead and we struggled to push wide without conceding considerable yards. It was a while alignment thing for the kick being done by a team that passed instead of kicking.Banquo wrote:It was May's wing where they made the bigger dent- they went fully 40 yards very easily. Defence was too narrow, and Faz and Teo too slow to react, dragging Manu in with them.Timbo wrote:I thought Big Joe was very slow to push up once Italy moved the ball wide and it became clear they weren’t going to kick into the back field. Couple of times it looked like Manu and Farrell were gesticulating to him along the lines of ‘where the f were you’.Banquo wrote: Big worry was our wide defence- we gave up a ton of easy yards. Oh and kicking too much. Sinckler and Billy included.
A lot less double tackles I thought too. Maybe we thought we would be so dominant physically we didn’t want/need to commit the extra defenders.
Agree we weren't as intense.....but footwork and decision making in our wider channels was sadly lacking. Teo was again exposed, his footwork is pants.
aye, that's the badger I was referring to on May's wing, but they did it three times from memory. Its a general sign of pre-planning being fckd up by realityEpaminondas Pules wrote:The most obvious time we went very narrow and dropped two players very deep for the kick. Italy just moved the ball instead and we struggled to push wide without conceding considerable yards. It was a while alignment thing for the kick being done by a team that passed instead of kicking.Banquo wrote:It was May's wing where they made the bigger dent- they went fully 40 yards very easily. Defence was too narrow, and Faz and Teo too slow to react, dragging Manu in with them.Timbo wrote:
I thought Big Joe was very slow to push up once Italy moved the ball wide and it became clear they weren’t going to kick into the back field. Couple of times it looked like Manu and Farrell were gesticulating to him along the lines of ‘where the f were you’.
A lot less double tackles I thought too. Maybe we thought we would be so dominant physically we didn’t want/need to commit the extra defenders.
Agree we weren't as intense.....but footwork and decision making in our wider channels was sadly lacking. Teo was again exposed, his footwork is pants.
One wonders if we'll yet again raise concern to the IRB about Italy's tacticsEpaminondas Pules wrote:The most obvious time we went very narrow and dropped two players very deep for the kick. Italy just moved the ball instead and we struggled to push wide without conceding considerable yards. It was a while alignment thing for the kick being done by a team that passed instead of kicking.Banquo wrote:It was May's wing where they made the bigger dent- they went fully 40 yards very easily. Defence was too narrow, and Faz and Teo too slow to react, dragging Manu in with them.Timbo wrote:
I thought Big Joe was very slow to push up once Italy moved the ball wide and it became clear they weren’t going to kick into the back field. Couple of times it looked like Manu and Farrell were gesticulating to him along the lines of ‘where the f were you’.
A lot less double tackles I thought too. Maybe we thought we would be so dominant physically we didn’t want/need to commit the extra defenders.
Agree we weren't as intense.....but footwork and decision making in our wider channels was sadly lacking. Teo was again exposed, his footwork is pants.
Digby wrote:One wonders if we'll yet again raise concern to the IRB about Italy's tacticsEpaminondas Pules wrote:The most obvious time we went very narrow and dropped two players very deep for the kick. Italy just moved the ball instead and we struggled to push wide without conceding considerable yards. It was a while alignment thing for the kick being done by a team that passed instead of kicking.Banquo wrote: It was May's wing where they made the bigger dent- they went fully 40 yards very easily. Defence was too narrow, and Faz and Teo too slow to react, dragging Manu in with them.
Agree we weren't as intense.....but footwork and decision making in our wider channels was sadly lacking. Teo was again exposed, his footwork is pants.
The step up from club to international rugby is actually really high. I reckon the top teams could manage, but I think most of the Premiership teams would lose.Oakboy wrote:Would all the GP teams beat Italy? Just trying to rationalise the post-match analysis. I certainly think we could pick a second 23 to expect to beat their present team.