Brexit delayed

[Stom]

And no issues saying that you have to be excited or surprised.
However, the whole thing is surprising and unprecedented.

No-one expects anything much to happen as a result.
MAYBE one of two MPs might think twice before claiming they represent the will of the people. Maybe all it is is another piece of evidence that the country is nothing ifed behind May, regardless of her lies.

We k is more than we did yesterday about the numbers and strength of opinion. That is cold hard fact, whether it surprises you or not

Maybe the uptake is a tad surprising, the depth of feeling is absolutely not (why is it a 'fact' that this number was not known yesterday- at least 17 million are known to be against leaving?) ....maybe folks had just got bored and May's statement and next Friday is a bucket of cold water and woken them up that we are in the last chance saloon. Interesting to see if anything changes on the back of it; it will take a ballsy group of MPs to stick revoke on the table.

Well, less than 17 million, surely... And I think that's the magic number. If this passes the leave votes from the ref., it will surely mean something...

[Which Tyler]

1,269,501 passed

[Banquo]

If you don't think it's new, then please explain why none of the dozens of previous such petitions got any particular support, let alone record-breaking.

I certainly don't think millions woke up this morning and said I've just decided I don't think we should leave the EU? As I said above, the immediacy of the actual leave date and May's bucket of cold water may have lead to them using this vehicle to protest (even I have signed up)....my contention is this scale of anger was already obvious to me- maybe because I know two very active campaigners? I'd be surprised if MPs did not know...or maybe I shpuldnt be.

[Banquo]

And no issues saying that you have to be excited or surprised.
However, the whole thing is surprising and unprecedented.

No-one expects anything much to happen as a result.
MAYBE one of two MPs might think twice before claiming they represent the will of the people. Maybe all it is is another piece of evidence that the country is nothing ifed behind May, regardless of her lies.

We k is more than we did yesterday about the numbers and strength of opinion. That is cold hard fact, whether it surprises you or not

Maybe the uptake is a tad surprising, the depth of feeling is absolutely not (why is it a 'fact' that this number was not known yesterday- at least 17 million are known to be against leaving?) ....maybe folks had just got bored and May's statement and next Friday is a bucket of cold water and woken them up that we are in the last chance saloon. Interesting to see if anything changes on the back of it; it will take a ballsy group of MPs to stick revoke on the table.

Well, less than 17 million, surely... And I think that's the magic number. If this passes the leave votes from the ref., it will surely mean something...

I was projecting the remain vote from 16.1m, adding in the ones who have reached majoirty in the last 2 and lot years, plus those who actually might vote this time, plus a few switchers . And i agree.

[Banquo]

Scot Nats (and other cots mps)tabling a revoke debate/vote next week. Someone had to do it- neither of the two main parties have the stones. Did it pre petition growth, so maybe the internet has been twitching with Remain campaigners, also the stop brexit march has set off. Lets see what Corbyn does.

[Digby]

. Lets see what Corbyn does.

Disemble if not just flat out lie

[Which Tyler]

If you don't think it's new, then please explain why none of the dozens of previous such petitions got any particular support, let alone record-breaking.

I certainly don't think millions woke up this morning and said I've just decided I don't think we should leave the EU? As I said above, the immediacy of the actual leave date and May's bucket of cold water may have lead to them using this vehicle to protest (even I have signed up)....my contention is this scale of anger was already obvious to me- maybe because I know two very active campaigners? I'd be surprised if MPs did not know...or maybe I shpuldnt be.

Absolutely nobody is saying that a tonne of people have changed their mind this morning.
I do think that last week's votes, and last night's speech has had a tonne of people saying "right, enough's enough, it's time that the rest ofnus are heard"
On both sides. Those threatening and attacking MPs, and those who have been completely ignored ores for the last 3 years, and those who were remain, accepted the result, waited for something tonactually be done, and have become increasingly disillusioned with then incompetence which came to Anuradha last night.
At 8.30pm
The precise time that petition took off.
In a way never seen before, and which you are unsurprised by, but is considered news by all the news sources and a huge surprise to nearly all political observers.

[Puja]

. Lets see what Corbyn does.

Disemble if not just flat out lie

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics ... 0321183808

Puja

[Banquo]

If you don't think it's new, then please explain why none of the dozens of previous such petitions got any particular support, let alone record-breaking.

I certainly don't think millions woke up this morning and said I've just decided I don't think we should leave the EU? As I said above, the immediacy of the actual leave date and May's bucket of cold water may have lead to them using this vehicle to protest (even I have signed up)....my contention is this scale of anger was already obvious to me- maybe because I know two very active campaigners? I'd be surprised if MPs did not know...or maybe I shpuldnt be.

Absolutely nobody is saying that a tonne of people have changed their mind this morning.
I do think that last week's votes, and last night's speech has had a tonne of people saying "right, enough's enough, it's time that the rest ofnus are heard"
On both sides. Those threatening and attacking MPs, and those who have been completely ignored ores for the last 3 years, and those who were remain, accepted the result, waited for something tonactually be done, and have become increasingly disillusioned with then incompetence which came to Anuradha last night.
At 8.30pm
The precise time that petition took off.
In a way never seen before, and which you are unsurprised by, but is considered news by all the news sources and a huge surprise to nearly all political observers.

No what I said was I wasn't surprised that the depth and scale of feeling existed, so I don't think that's a new fact. I did say this manifestation was a big statement. And I did say what I thought triggered it, which you agree with, And sort your spell checker please wtf is Anuradha

[canta_brian]

I certainly don't think millions woke up this morning and said I've just decided I don't think we should leave the EU? As I said above, the immediacy of the actual leave date and May's bucket of cold water may have lead to them using this vehicle to protest (even I have signed up)....my contention is this scale of anger was already obvious to me- maybe because I know two very active campaigners? I'd be surprised if MPs did not know...or maybe I shpuldnt be.

Absolutely nobody is saying that a tonne of people have changed their mind this morning.
I do think that last week's votes, and last night's speech has had a tonne of people saying "right, enough's enough, it's time that the rest ofnus are heard"
On both sides. Those threatening and attacking MPs, and those who have been completely ignored ores for the last 3 years, and those who were remain, accepted the result, waited for something tonactually be done, and have become increasingly disillusioned with then incompetence which came to Anuradha last night.
At 8.30pm
The precise time that petition took off.
In a way never seen before, and which you are unsurprised by, but is considered news by all the news sources and a huge surprise to nearly all political observers.

No what I said was I wasn't surprised that the depth and scale of feeling existed, so I don't think that's a new fact. I did say this manifestation was a big statement. And I did say what I thought triggered it, which you agree with, And sort your spell checker please wtf is Anuradha

Anuradha is the new covfefe

[Mellsblue]

Nothing "Arranged" about it - nor anything to do with Alistair Campbell.
It's just an online petition; albeit one hosted by the government and one that requires addressing in parliament.
It's also comfortably the biggest petition since the hosting site was set up; and absolutely thrashing the rival No Deal petition.
We're talking some serious numbers now, maybe even enough to get 1-2 MPs to consider their position; especially if the local figures show something interesting to them.

Trust me. People’s Vote are pushing this hard. I’ve seen the public comms on it.
It is unprecedented but only because these petitions have been such a flop since being introduced (not that I think they’re a bad idea). As Banquo points out, everything to do with Brexit is unprecedented, the density map looks almost identical to the referendum map and we already know that roughly 48% of the population don’t want to leave the EU.
The big news really should be that the Chief Whip is, supposedly. openly briefing against the PM since her speech. Her and her advisers really are clueless.

[Banquo]

Predictions now folks? Extended to 22nd May if WA passes. If it fails, 12th April.

[Sandydragon]

Petition up to 2.4 million now.

[Banquo]

Petition up to 2.4 million now.

Number 2 in the charts and rising

[Stom]

Predictions now folks? Extended to 22nd May if WA passes. If it fails, 12th April.

Surely someone will amend a ref onto the wa motion. So we could then be forced to ask for another extension for the ref...

[Sandydragon]

Predictions now folks? Extended to 22nd May if WA passes. If it fails, 12th April.

Surely someone will amend a ref onto the wa motion. So we could then be forced to ask for another extension for the ref...

Wouldn’t surprise me.

[Banquo]

Predictions now folks? Extended to 22nd May if WA passes. If it fails, 12th April.

Surely someone will amend a ref onto the wa motion. So we could then be forced to ask for another extension for the ref...

Wouldn’t surprise me.

Its going to dragon for years isnt it...

[fivepointer]

"That is the last chance saloon. Europe has provided a final opportunity for MPs to take control of this situation from a PM who is demonstrably not up to it. They must grasp it"

Ian Dunt, right as usual.

Now is the time MPs. Over to you.

[Banquo]

"That is the last chance saloon. Europe has provided a final opportunity for MPs to take control of this situation from a PM who is demonstrably not up to it. They must grasp it"

Ian Dunt, right as usual.

Now is the time MPs. Over to you.

This keeps on being said, but what? The ineluctable evidence is that this is a gordian knot of epic proportions. May is utterly useless, but imo a combination of Kissinger, Mandela and Mother Teresa (:)) could not get anything agreed that doesn't either fck us up, or makes leaving entirely pointless. For a start, Corbyn needs to be honest and say that his proposal is so close to staying in the EU, that we should be staying in.
Fck knows

[Mellsblue]

"That is the last chance saloon. Europe has provided a final opportunity for MPs to take control of this situation from a PM who is demonstrably not up to it. They must grasp it"

Ian Dunt, right as usual.

Now is the time MPs. Over to you.

This keeps on being said, but what? The ineluctable evidence is that this is a gordian knot of epic proportions. May is utterly useless, but imo a combination of Kissinger, Mandela and Mother Teresa (:)) could not get anything agreed that doesn't either fck us up, or makes leaving entirely pointless. For a start, Corbyn needs to be honest and say that his proposal is so close to staying in the EU, that we should be staying in.
Fck knows

This. Philip Collins had a good idea yesterday’s Times: a Brexit death match. All options put on the table and they keep having votes, with the loser dropping out, until we have a winner. Massively flawed but then that is true of whatever outcome we reach. Plus, UK plc could sell the TV rights.

[Banquo]

Petition votes still rising, Eurozone and thus German economies not so much........all adds to the tension

[Banquo]

MPs now want a series of indicative votes....having rejected it last week

[Mellsblue]

Proof, if proof we’re needed, that parliament will struggle to answer the question just as much as May.

[Banquo]

Proof, if proof we’re needed, that parliament will struggle to answer the question just as much as May.

No no, Its all her fault because they didn't have the opportunity before! Or...

[Sandydragon]

Surely someone will amend a ref onto the wa motion. So we could then be forced to ask for another extension for the ref...

Wouldn’t surprise me.

Its going to dragon for years isnt it...

If that's a reflection on Welsh rugby dominance then I'm all for it!!