Brexit delayed

[Banquo]

Wouldn’t surprise me.

Its going to dragon for years isnt it...

If that's a reflection on Welsh rugby dominance then I'm all for it!!

More a play on your username

[Digby]

"That is the last chance saloon. Europe has provided a final opportunity for MPs to take control of this situation from a PM who is demonstrably not up to it. They must grasp it"

Ian Dunt, right as usual.

Now is the time MPs. Over to you.

This keeps on being said, but what? The ineluctable evidence is that this is a gordian knot of epic proportions. May is utterly useless, but imo a combination of Kissinger, Mandela and Mother Teresa (:)) could not get anything agreed that doesn't either fck us up, or makes leaving entirely pointless. For a start, Corbyn needs to be honest and say that his proposal is so close to staying in the EU, that we should be staying in.
Fck knows

This. Philip Collins had a good idea yesterday’s Times: a Brexit death match. All options put on the table and they keep having votes, with the loser dropping out, until we have a winner. Massively flawed but then that is true of whatever outcome we reach. Plus, UK plc could sell the TV rights.

He's mooted that before, I'd prefer not a series of choices that whittle down the options but a one time ranking of preference voting

[Digby]

Its going to dragon for years isnt it...

If that's a reflection on Welsh rugby dominance then I'm all for it!!

More a play on your username

A quick response there, like grease lightening actually

[Sandydragon]

Its going to dragon for years isnt it...

If that's a reflection on Welsh rugby dominance then I'm all for it!!

More a play on your username

I like to think I have considerable staying power

[Sandydragon]

Does anyone think that a short extension will actually resolve anything? There is still not a clear majority in parliament for anything and all of the ideas that have been mooted for Brexit, the May option, Norway, Canada, the shove it up your arse EU option; all have supporters but none are even close to having anything like a majority.

Of course, there is still the option of another referendum and despite the objections to doing so, we could really do with a second vote now we know what the actual options are.

[Digby]

A reasonable concern for some is we don't know what the options are until we finalise future trade agreements (assuming we'd be doing that) with the EU and others

[Banquo]

A reasonable concern for some is we don't know what the options are until we finalise future trade agreements (assuming we'd be doing that) with the EU and others

well exactly, plus associated regs and customs arrangements. People seem very aerated about 'the deal', which isn't a deal, just a milestone and protection for a lot of the things that no-one seems to talk about for a couple of years. Nothing like as good as not leaving but hey.

I'm so sorry that I really don't believe that even when explained again the public will make a good choice. I thought plenty was explained first time round, and the consequences we now see were pretty clear even if at a helicopter level. That's mostly why I voted to stay, despite seeing the flaws in the EU. That, and its daft to leave

[Banquo]

If that's a reflection on Welsh rugby dominance then I'm all for it!!

More a play on your username

I like to think I have considerable staying power

good work

[Puja]

I'm so sorry that I really don't believe that even when explained again the public will make a good choice. I thought plenty was explained first time round, and the consequences we now see were pretty clear even if at a helicopter level.

While I generally agree that "the people" can't be trusted to make a decision on anything with any particular skill, I'm in favour simply because it seems to be the only way out of this impasse. Parliament can't get a majority for anything and, left to their own devices, will just stumble to No Deal.

Get an ordered preference referendum of "May's deal", "No Deal", "No Brexit," and then we'll have *a* decision and can press forward with that.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

I'm so sorry that I really don't believe that even when explained again the public will make a good choice. I thought plenty was explained first time round, and the consequences we now see were pretty clear even if at a helicopter level.

While I generally agree that "the people" can't be trusted to make a decision on anything with any particular skill, I'm in favour simply because it seems to be the only way out of this impasse. Parliament can't get a majority for anything and, left to their own devices, will just stumble to No Deal.

Get an ordered preference referendum of "May's deal", "No Deal", "No Brexit," and then we'll have *a* decision and can press forward with that.

Puja

Exactly. And the argument that Brexit is easy has been removed from the table. We haven’t seen any of the truely bad effects of leaving yet so that makes the remain task harder, but it was a crap tactic anyway last time.

[Banquo]

I'm so sorry that I really don't believe that even when explained again the public will make a good choice. I thought plenty was explained first time round, and the consequences we now see were pretty clear even if at a helicopter level.

While I generally agree that "the people" can't be trusted to make a decision on anything with any particular skill, I'm in favour simply because it seems to be the only way out of this impasse. Parliament can't get a majority for anything and, left to their own devices, will just stumble to No Deal.

Get an ordered preference referendum of "May's deal", "No Deal", "No Brexit," and then we'll have *a* decision and can press forward with that.

Puja

Hmm, maybe. Be interesting to actually 'game' that, knowing what we know from polls and see what the predicted outcome would be....

In other news, the rumour is that May was going to announce her resignation on Weds evening, but had to be talked out of it, hence the delay and ill-prepared rant. Maybe its fitting facts to events, but kinda believable. I don't know why she is carrying on doing a task that she is manifestly unsuited for, and with apparently nobody sensible helping or supporting.....its almost like everyone is distancing themselves from the poisoned chalice car crash we are heading into......

[Banquo]

I'm so sorry that I really don't believe that even when explained again the public will make a good choice. I thought plenty was explained first time round, and the consequences we now see were pretty clear even if at a helicopter level.

While I generally agree that "the people" can't be trusted to make a decision on anything with any particular skill, I'm in favour simply because it seems to be the only way out of this impasse. Parliament can't get a majority for anything and, left to their own devices, will just stumble to No Deal.

Get an ordered preference referendum of "May's deal", "No Deal", "No Brexit," and then we'll have *a* decision and can press forward with that.

Puja

the argument that Brexit is easy has been removed from the table. .

Unfortunately I don't think that's true- to my shame I have some very good mates who voted leave on principle (the EU is shyte and political union a bad idea and economically unworkable and doomed sp lets get out now....theoretical nonsense; the arguments have been spectacular) and are convinced that its Remainer lack of will and incompetence that has brought us here. That's what you read all over soshal meedja too.

[Digby]

As the revoke article 50 petition continues its count in the low millions I find I'm almost impressed at the Nigel Farage explanation it represents Russian collusion

[Sandydragon]

Now 3.4 million.

[Galfon]

Irrespective of the final outcome, it does show the 2 years plus negotiations for what they were.

[cashead]

Has parliament voted on the extension? I hope they reject it.

[Puja]

Has parliament voted on the extension? I hope they reject it.

Why?

Puja

[Galfon]

Has parliament voted on the extension? I hope they reject it.

Parliament needs to vote on the Deal first ( or maybe be told by the Speaker they can't.).If the deal vote outcome is negative the shorter extension is on offer - presumably some sort of vote will happen then.

[cashead]

Has parliament voted on the extension? I hope they reject it.

Why?

Puja

Because it'll be hilarious.

[twitchy]

[Which Tyler]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47678275

The woman who started the record-breaking anti-Brexit petition says she is "shaking like a leaf" after receiving three death threats by phone.

Margaret Georgiadou, 77, began the Revoke Article 50 petition, which had topped four million signatures by Saturday morning.

She said she was "totally amazed" it had become the most popular petition submitted to the Parliament website.

But Mrs Georgiadou said the "horrible" phone calls left her scared and angry.

The retired lecturer says she has also received abuse via her Facebook account.

She said: "I feel terrible, I feel angry with myself because I thought I was tougher than that. But I was scared."

[twitchy]

Over a million marched in london today.

[Sandydragon]

Time for some MPs to find their backbone before it’s too late.

[Galfon]

It's a little bit like the expenses scandal - 'but we've done nothing wrong...where does it say we shouldn't do this ?..'
only 'we've done nothing wrong, where does it say we should do this?..' they may surprise us yet

[Sandydragon]

Times reporting a cabinet revolt with the aim of installing Lydington as temporary PM for the Brexit transition.

May is almost certainly a busted flush now.