Back row forwards who might have expected more England caps?
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Re: Back row forwards who might have expected more England caps?
TBH, Ben Morgan should probably be on this list.
Eddie has mostly ignored him in favour of lesser players IMO. He could (and should) have picked another 10-15 caps over the past few years.
Eddie has mostly ignored him in favour of lesser players IMO. He could (and should) have picked another 10-15 caps over the past few years.
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Yep.
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Good point - I hope Morgan does get a another look in as our other backup 8 options have not been able to replicate the power from a standing start that an on form Billy manages to (though I do agree lack of line out jumping is a limitation in Billy’s skill set which could be better exploited by those competing for his berth in particular Hughes).Scrumhead wrote:TBH, Ben Morgan should probably be on this list.
Eddie has mostly ignored him in favour of lesser players IMO. He could (and should) have picked another 10-15 caps over the past few years.
Speaking of No.8s Mick Watson was another I missed out and both Steve Ojomoh and Chris Sheasby had a style at no.8 seemingly much better suited to the game post 1993 than Dean Richards who by that time was well past his peak imo.Both merited more caps imo.
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Billy V takes the odd lineout. Armitage is big and short, definitely not an option.
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I'm a fan of Morgan.Scrumhead wrote:TBH, Ben Morgan should probably be on this list.
Eddie has mostly ignored him in favour of lesser players IMO. He could (and should) have picked another 10-15 caps over the past few years.
His stock is high at the moment as Glaws have had a good season - and he contributes massivley to the go forward.
He also has the wheels to get away so when he carries he can sometimes carry long.
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Mike Teague should have had at least another 20 caps for England but was blatantly ignored for 4 years after making his full debut in NZ in 1985. When you consider how terminally shoite England were in that period its even more mystifying.
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He was contemporaneous with Dean Richards as an 8 and Jon Hall as a 6 though. Plus England were fiddling around with trying to accommodate Winterbottom and Gary Rees. There were a lot of good back rows around during his time, though I agree he should have had more caps.ilovelamp wrote:Mike Teague should have had at least another 20 caps for England but was blatantly ignored for 4 years after making his full debut in NZ in 1985. When you consider how terminally shoite England were in that period its even more mystifying.
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Was this a long standing issue or just Teague-ing problems?Banquo wrote:He was contemporaneous with Dean Richards as an 8 and Jon Hall as a 6 though. Plus England were fiddling around with trying to accommodate Winterbottom and Gary Rees.ilovelamp wrote:Mike Teague should have had at least another 20 caps for England but was blatantly ignored for 4 years after making his full debut in NZ in 1985. When you consider how terminally shoite England were in that period its even more mystifying.
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Miking these sort of puns is just a step too far; we should really row back on this one.Mellsblue wrote:Was this a long standing issue or just Teague-ing problems?Banquo wrote:He was contemporaneous with Dean Richards as an 8 and Jon Hall as a 6 though. Plus England were fiddling around with trying to accommodate Winterbottom and Gary Rees.ilovelamp wrote:Mike Teague should have had at least another 20 caps for England but was blatantly ignored for 4 years after making his full debut in NZ in 1985. When you consider how terminally shoite England were in that period its even more mystifying.
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Expected better from you. I'm as mystified as you (probably) as to why.Peat wrote:Miking these sort of puns is just a step too far; we should really row back on this one.Mellsblue wrote:Was this a long standing issue or just Teague-ing problems?Banquo wrote: He was contemporaneous with Dean Richards as an 8 and Jon Hall as a 6 though. Plus England were fiddling around with trying to accommodate Winterbottom and Gary Rees.
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A real Rafter permutations around that time - a real opportunity to Cooke up something special.
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Back to the thread, please.
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Look at this dude trying to Curry favour with the modsfrancoisfou wrote:Back to the thread, please.
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Trying to Rollitt along on the right course..
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Corry on laughing!
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Francoisfou will be well Moody now.
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Well, he did choose this Hill to die on.
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its not like we are doing any 'arm-itagePuja wrote:Well, he did choose this Hill to die on.
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Hopefully, he’ll Back down.Banquo wrote:its not like we are doing any 'arm-itagePuja wrote:Well, he did choose this Hill to die on.
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Morgan seems to have had a surge late in his career. I think EJ overlooked him conspicuously though. There is obviously some thing he doesn't rate in him for test level.richy678 wrote:I'm a fan of Morgan.Scrumhead wrote:TBH, Ben Morgan should probably be on this list.
Eddie has mostly ignored him in favour of lesser players IMO. He could (and should) have picked another 10-15 caps over the past few years.
His stock is high at the moment as Glaws have had a good season - and he contributes massivley to the go forward.
He also has the wheels to get away so when he carries he can sometimes carry long.
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It’ll be those tries he scored against Oztwitchy wrote:Morgan seems to have had a surge late in his career. I think EJ overlooked him conspicuously though. There is obviously some thing he doesn't rate in him for test level.richy678 wrote:I'm a fan of Morgan.Scrumhead wrote:TBH, Ben Morgan should probably be on this list.
Eddie has mostly ignored him in favour of lesser players IMO. He could (and should) have picked another 10-15 caps over the past few years.
His stock is high at the moment as Glaws have had a good season - and he contributes massivley to the go forward.
He also has the wheels to get away so when he carries he can sometimes carry long.
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or get Wors-lyMellsblue wrote:Hopefully, he’ll Back down.Banquo wrote:its not like we are doing any 'arm-itagePuja wrote:Well, he did choose this Hill to die on.
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After his leg break he did have a couple of mediocre seasons tbf. Ackermann has reinvigorated the place and got the best out of all the old timers over there.twitchy wrote:Morgan seems to have had a surge late in his career. I think EJ overlooked him conspicuously though. There is obviously some thing he doesn't rate in him for test level.richy678 wrote:I'm a fan of Morgan.Scrumhead wrote:TBH, Ben Morgan should probably be on this list.
Eddie has mostly ignored him in favour of lesser players IMO. He could (and should) have picked another 10-15 caps over the past few years.
His stock is high at the moment as Glaws have had a good season - and he contributes massivley to the go forward.
He also has the wheels to get away so when he carries he can sometimes carry long.
I do think Morgan is playing better than he has ever done, including his England years.
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Probably he'll be right FourieousBanquo wrote:or get Wors-lyMellsblue wrote:Hopefully, he’ll Back down.Banquo wrote: its not like we are doing any 'arm-itage
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