Wales vs England - RWC warmup, Raeburn Shield challenge, and chance to *become* the #1 ranked team

[Which Tyler]

Seen it now.

https://www.rugbydump.com/news/that-dan ... nd+more%29

It’s quite something.

As far as I can tell, not even cited

[Digby]

Seen it now.

https://www.rugbydump.com/news/that-dan ... nd+more%29

It’s quite something.

God knows where there's a comment on there talking about a yellow card. Either the officials including the TMO ignore it en masse, or it's a red card, there isn't a middle ground between the two. Okay maybe a few years back that gets a yellow, but now that's a reckless forceful contact with the shoulder to the head and the ref doesn't have a choice as to what colour card it is

[loudnconfident]

More evidence England are blowing as the only person who's bothered getting wide is Watson, and he's there only to run off the pitch. Wales make ground kicking right, pick up and penalty for a high tackle but play the advantage and kick to the other flank where with a 1 man advantage they have a 3 on 0 overlap. There are a number of words to describe that period of play from England, and if you were being nice you'd settle on amateur

As England were down to 13 - OK JJ for the yellow, but Heinz was off for a concussion check(?) and Youngs had not entered the field. Apparently the latter was also ref's call - not specified in the laws.

Working incredibly fast for any bureaucracy - let alone World Rugby - they have changed the law:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49434027

World Rugby has made a law amendment after George North scored a try while England were down to 13 men to help Wales to victory on Saturday.
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The amendment states that play can only restart once temporary replacement players are on the field.

[Digby]

More evidence England are blowing as the only person who's bothered getting wide is Watson, and he's there only to run off the pitch. Wales make ground kicking right, pick up and penalty for a high tackle but play the advantage and kick to the other flank where with a 1 man advantage they have a 3 on 0 overlap. There are a number of words to describe that period of play from England, and if you were being nice you'd settle on amateur

As England were down to 13 - OK JJ for the yellow, but Heinz was off for a concussion check(?) and Youngs had not entered the field. Apparently the latter was also ref's call - not specified in the laws.

Working incredibly fast for any bureaucracy - let alone World Rugby - they have changed the law:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49434027

World Rugby has made a law amendment after George North scored a try while England were down to 13 men to help Wales to victory on Saturday.
{..]
The amendment states that play can only restart once temporary replacement players are on the field.

It's only sensible to have sides encouraged to be sensible around possible concussion issues. So sensible from the IRB, though too it was actually good quick thinking from Wales on the weekend, in a match that saw precious little quick thinking

Also worth noting even had the England HIA sub been allowed on we were still grouped in the middle having a chat about where to go out to eat that night, it's not like 13 men were best covering what space they could, we'd rather more switched off, not a bad time to get a harsh lesson for that I suppose

[Digby]

Seen it now.

https://www.rugbydump.com/news/that-dan ... nd+more%29

It’s quite something.

As far as I can tell, not even cited

But to be clear they take concussion and head injuries very seriously, honest.

[Puja]

More evidence England are blowing as the only person who's bothered getting wide is Watson, and he's there only to run off the pitch. Wales make ground kicking right, pick up and penalty for a high tackle but play the advantage and kick to the other flank where with a 1 man advantage they have a 3 on 0 overlap. There are a number of words to describe that period of play from England, and if you were being nice you'd settle on amateur

As England were down to 13 - OK JJ for the yellow, but Heinz was off for a concussion check(?) and Youngs had not entered the field. Apparently the latter was also ref's call - not specified in the laws.

Working incredibly fast for any bureaucracy - let alone World Rugby - they have changed the law:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49434027

World Rugby has made a law amendment after George North scored a try while England were down to 13 men to help Wales to victory on Saturday.
{..]
The amendment states that play can only restart once temporary replacement players are on the field.

It's only sensible to have sides encouraged to be sensible around possible concussion issues. So sensible from the IRB, though too it was actually good quick thinking from Wales on the weekend, in a match that saw precious little quick thinking

Also worth noting even had the England HIA sub been allowed on we were still grouped in the middle having a chat about where to go out to eat that night, it's not like 13 men were best covering what space they could, we'd rather more switched off, not a bad time to get a harsh lesson for that I suppose

To be fair to them, as far as they were concerned the referee had called time off and the game was dead, with physios and water carriers on, Heinz having been helped off and Watson still trotting across the pitch to sit down. It's not an unreasonable expectation that there wasn't going to be allowed a quick tap at that point.

Puja

[Digby]

As England were down to 13 - OK JJ for the yellow, but Heinz was off for a concussion check(?) and Youngs had not entered the field. Apparently the latter was also ref's call - not specified in the laws.

Working incredibly fast for any bureaucracy - let alone World Rugby - they have changed the law:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49434027

World Rugby has made a law amendment after George North scored a try while England were down to 13 men to help Wales to victory on Saturday.
{..]
The amendment states that play can only restart once temporary replacement players are on the field.

It's only sensible to have sides encouraged to be sensible around possible concussion issues. So sensible from the IRB, though too it was actually good quick thinking from Wales on the weekend, in a match that saw precious little quick thinking

Also worth noting even had the England HIA sub been allowed on we were still grouped in the middle having a chat about where to go out to eat that night, it's not like 13 men were best covering what space they could, we'd rather more switched off, not a bad time to get a harsh lesson for that I suppose

To be fair to them, as far as they were concerned the referee had called time off and the game was dead, with physios and water carriers on, Heinz having been helped off and Watson still trotting across the pitch to sit down. It's not an unreasonable expectation that there wasn't going to be allowed a quick tap at that point.

Puja

As a 9 I always wanted to tap and go, and used to get into a fair few disagreements with my own team who wanted me to call a meeting and let them know such a plan was in the offing. Broadly my take here is be ready, or accept the other team can take such advantages

And if you want a moment to take a meeting then bloody well ask the ref if you have the time so they'll protect you.

[Puja]

It's only sensible to have sides encouraged to be sensible around possible concussion issues. So sensible from the IRB, though too it was actually good quick thinking from Wales on the weekend, in a match that saw precious little quick thinking

Also worth noting even had the England HIA sub been allowed on we were still grouped in the middle having a chat about where to go out to eat that night, it's not like 13 men were best covering what space they could, we'd rather more switched off, not a bad time to get a harsh lesson for that I suppose

To be fair to them, as far as they were concerned the referee had called time off and the game was dead, with physios and water carriers on, Heinz having been helped off and Watson still trotting across the pitch to sit down. It's not an unreasonable expectation that there wasn't going to be allowed a quick tap at that point.

Puja

As a 9 I always wanted to tap and go, and used to get into a fair few disagreements with my own team who wanted me to call a meeting and let them know such a plan was in the offing. Broadly my take here is be ready, or accept the other team can take such advantages

And if you want a moment to take a meeting then bloody well ask the ref if you have the time so they'll protect you.

He did signal time off to yellow card Watson and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect time not to be put back on until that yellow card is completed (i.e, he actually leaves the pitch). Besides, I'm a forward - if you tap and go, you'll just get yourself into trouble and I'll have to run after you to save you. Far better to kick for touch and let us have a lineout - I promise that we'll win the next one.

The ref's decision was made more infuriating because that was the only quick tap that he didn't call back all afternoon.

Puja

[Raggs]

I think he felt bad that he's left the clock off for minute and a half leading up to it, and didn't know how long he hadn't been keeping time. Wanted to get on with it. Played a 41.5 minute half in the end. Could have been more as far as he knew.

[Digby]

To be fair to them, as far as they were concerned the referee had called time off and the game was dead, with physios and water carriers on, Heinz having been helped off and Watson still trotting across the pitch to sit down. It's not an unreasonable expectation that there wasn't going to be allowed a quick tap at that point.

Puja

As a 9 I always wanted to tap and go, and used to get into a fair few disagreements with my own team who wanted me to call a meeting and let them know such a plan was in the offing. Broadly my take here is be ready, or accept the other team can take such advantages

And if you want a moment to take a meeting then bloody well ask the ref if you have the time so they'll protect you.

He did signal time off to yellow card Watson and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect time not to be put back on until that yellow card is completed (i.e, he actually leaves the pitch). Besides, I'm a forward - if you tap and go, you'll just get yourself into trouble and I'll have to run after you to save you. Far better to kick for touch and let us have a lineout - I promise that we'll win the next one.

The ref's decision was made more infuriating because that was the only quick tap that he didn't call back all afternoon.

Puja

I'm sure England are unhappy with the ref, but as so often is the case there were things they could have done differently. I start with an assumption one simply cannot trust the referees as they do too many weird not not wonderful things, and so we need to make sure we're ready, and in this case we easily could have had a better shape in defence, there was plenty of time to not still be wandering the pitch in circles pondering the musings of Sartre