Thank you - good knowledge!Mellsblue wrote:canta_brian wrote:Has it? I must have missed that. That is good then.Stones of granite wrote: I thought that the suggestion that UK could veto the extension had already been shot down?
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Thank you - good knowledge!Mellsblue wrote:canta_brian wrote:Has it? I must have missed that. That is good then.Stones of granite wrote: I thought that the suggestion that UK could veto the extension had already been shot down?
Thank you. I can copy and paste a link to almost anything these days. Ah, you meant Don Walsh, didn’t you.Puja wrote:Thank you - good knowledge!Mellsblue wrote:canta_brian wrote: Has it? I must have missed that. That is good then.
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You knew where that particular knowledge was to be found, which was a step above anyone else in the conversation.Mellsblue wrote:Thank you. I can copy and paste a link to almost anything these days. Ah, you meant Don Walsh, didn’t you.Puja wrote:Thank you - good knowledge!Mellsblue wrote:
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You could request one thing, then get something different back e.g. a longer term.Sandydragon wrote:Makes sense, surely you can’t veto your own request, otherwise why bring it.
I believe the bill has those eventualities covered.Banquo wrote:You could request one thing, then get something different back e.g. a longer term.Sandydragon wrote:Makes sense, surely you can’t veto your own request, otherwise why bring it.
I'd read different, but who knows. Stinking pile of shyteWhich Tyler wrote:I believe the bill has those eventualities covered.Banquo wrote:You could request one thing, then get something different back e.g. a longer term.Sandydragon wrote:Makes sense, surely you can’t veto your own request, otherwise why bring it.
But it's highly, highly unlikely to be a lo get delay as that plays into the next EU budget talks, leaving them not knowing how much €€€ they have to distribute. Though I guess they couldmoffer a 5 year extension...
As you say, who knows, but this is what the BBC think:Banquo wrote:I'd read different, but who knows. Stinking pile of shyteWhich Tyler wrote:I believe the bill has those eventualities covered.Banquo wrote: You could request one thing, then get something different back e.g. a longer term.
But it's highly, highly unlikely to be a longer delay as that plays into the next EU budget talks, leaving them not knowing how much €€€ they have to distribute. Though I guess they couldmoffer a 5 year extension...
Have to also look to EU law, which has precedence. That talks to UK govt, rather than Parliament. I have no idea though, and it’s a sorry state to get to this.Which Tyler wrote:As you say, who knows, but this is what the BBC think:Banquo wrote:I'd read different, but who knows. Stinking pile of shyteWhich Tyler wrote: I believe the bill has those eventualities covered.
But it's highly, highly unlikely to be a longer delay as that plays into the next EU budget talks, leaving them not knowing how much €€€ they have to distribute. Though I guess they couldmoffer a 5 year extension...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49612757
"What if the EU asks for a different date?
Mr Benn's bill sets the length of any further extension to three months.
But if the other EU states respond with a different date, Mr Johnson would be forced to accept it unless MPs vote to reject it within two days."
Of course. The EU can offer any extension they like, or none at all.Banquo wrote: Have to also look to EU law, which has precedence. That talks to UK govt, rather than Parliament. I have no idea though, and it’s a sorry state to get to this.
This is what I have read, too.Which Tyler wrote:Of course. The EU can offer any extension they like, or none at all.Banquo wrote: Have to also look to EU law, which has precedence. That talks to UK govt, rather than Parliament. I have no idea though, and it’s a sorry state to get to this.
My understanding though, is that the Benn bill means that the government has to either accept what it's offered, or out it to a parliamentary vote. Our government doesn't have the authority to reject it without parliamentary support - which is kinda the point.
Which Tyler wrote:Also, someone made this, not an original comparison, but well put together.
Quitting the party as wellSandydragon wrote:BBC reporting that Amber Rudd has just resigned from the government citing unfair treatment of rebel Conservative MPs.
I did wonder when she would remember any principles she might once have had.
Difficult to influence from the outside. I was hoping she’d help bring some sense to the cabinet table. Rather than remembering her principles she’s probably abandoning ship not to detonate future prospects.Sandydragon wrote:BBC reporting that Amber Rudd has just resigned from the government citing unfair treatment of rebel Conservative MPs.
I did wonder when she would remember any principles she might once have had.
I'd say that the Conservative party is disintegrating. Except that it's actually becoming the Brexit party. How long before Farage cuts a deal with BJ and joins?Which Tyler wrote:Quitting the party as wellSandydragon wrote:BBC reporting that Amber Rudd has just resigned from the government citing unfair treatment of rebel Conservative MPs.
I did wonder when she would remember any principles she might once have had.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737
There must be other moderate tories aghast at what's happened to their party. How many will have the courage of their conditions, and how many will keep their head down and support their team?
But, I like the term "schism" - it's etymologically satisfying.Son of Mathonwy wrote: I'd say that the Conservative party is disintegrating. Except that it's actually becoming the Brexit party. How long before Farage cuts a deal with BJ and joins?
I thought standing as "Independent Conservative" is the default position for those not standing down. I hadn't realised that there was actual talk of forming a new liberal conservative party - so far it had all been my speculation and a few others playing "what if".Mellsblue wrote:There is plenty of talk about those who have been booted out but aren’t standing down running on a Independent Conservative ticket at the next GE with the intention of coming back once the Spartans - have I mentioned what a ridiculous name that is - have been ousted. Small whispers of just breaking off completely and forming a Liberal Conservative party. I think the latter is a grassroots ops and the former the preferred plan for the MPs.
A bunch of tossers with a born-to-rule mentality that worked tirelessly to maintain an order that rigidly enforced a small number of people holding the majority of the wealth at the expense of the masses, who eventually had to compromise their ideals and went, not so much into a decline, but into an outright freefall because of dwindling numbers, worshipped by pathetic shitfucks?Mellsblue wrote:the Spartans - have I mentioned what a ridiculous name that is
Plenty aren’t ready to give up and just stand as Independent Conservatives, P Hammond being the most vocal about it.Which Tyler wrote:I thought standing as "Independent Conservative" is the default position for those not standing down. I hadn't realised that there was actual talk of forming a new liberal conservative party - so far it had all been my speculation and a few others playing "what if".Mellsblue wrote:There is plenty of talk about those who have been booted out but aren’t standing down running on a Independent Conservative ticket at the next GE with the intention of coming back once the Spartans - have I mentioned what a ridiculous name that is - have been ousted. Small whispers of just breaking off completely and forming a Liberal Conservative party. I think the latter is a grassroots ops and the former the preferred plan for the MPs.
You'd have to wondering so some like Clarke or Soames would feel reinvigorated by starting a new party, and decide to stand one more time if that was the case (it must be much harder to motivate for an independent run)
As for the names - if you're going to call the people you've kicking out "the Rebel alliance", then you don't get to chose "Spartans" for yourself - you have tomown that you've just named yourselves "the evil empire"
And yes, all such name options are challenging "WhateverGate" for cringe worthiness and should be banned by any swear-filters
It was more the fact they chose it as they saw themselves as some sort of warrior grouping when in fact they are fronted by a short fat man and two skinny men with a combined weight of 10 stone.cashead wrote:A bunch of tossers with a born-to-rule mentality that worked tirelessly to maintain an order that rigidly enforced a small number of people holding the majority of the wealth at the expense of the masses, who eventually had to compromise their ideals and went, not so much into a decline, but into an outright freefall because of dwindling numbers, worshipped by pathetic shitfucks?Mellsblue wrote:the Spartans - have I mentioned what a ridiculous name that is
Ridiculous? Maybe. But oddly appropriate.
It was truly weird that she and Hancock had stayed mute, it cannot possibly be something they agree with. I was even a little worried about Amber until nowWhich Tyler wrote:Quitting the party as wellSandydragon wrote:BBC reporting that Amber Rudd has just resigned from the government citing unfair treatment of rebel Conservative MPs.
I did wonder when she would remember any principles she might once have had.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737
There must be other moderate tories aghast at what's happened to their party. How many will have the courage of their conditions, and how many will keep their head down and support their team?
Rudd hadn’t stayed mute. She was very vocal about it.Digby wrote:It was truly weird that she and Hancock had stayed mute, it cannot possibly be something they agree with. I was even a little worried about Amber until nowWhich Tyler wrote:Quitting the party as wellSandydragon wrote:BBC reporting that Amber Rudd has just resigned from the government citing unfair treatment of rebel Conservative MPs.
I did wonder when she would remember any principles she might once have had.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737
There must be other moderate tories aghast at what's happened to their party. How many will have the courage of their conditions, and how many will keep their head down and support their team?