Tonga

Moderator: Puja

Post Reply
Digby
Posts: 13436
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:17 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Digby »

Oakboy wrote:
Digby wrote:Is everyone sold on Curry now, you don't have to go back far to find a good number picking Underhill over Curry
I think lots simply think a 7 should be shorter and stumpier.
?

He's going to be a very similar size to McCaw, who thinks that's a problem?
Raggs
Posts: 3304
Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:17 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Raggs »

I think Curry has shown a slightly more rounded game than Underhill, and has nearly matched his physicality. I'm happy with either, and very happy with both.
Banquo
Posts: 19147
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Banquo »

TheDasher wrote:
Banquo wrote:Wilson is imo the class act of our flankers, and first choice at 6 for me.
I agree that he's a class act but wouldn't say he's THE class act on his own... Curry has been a revelation too imo.
He's just the best and classiest of them. Curry is still learning and a bit inconsistent, but Wilson has taken naturally to international rugby; hos breakdown work is superb in terms of decision making.
Banquo
Posts: 19147
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Banquo »

Digby wrote:
Oakboy wrote:
Digby wrote:Is everyone sold on Curry now, you don't have to go back far to find a good number picking Underhill over Curry
I think lots simply think a 7 should be shorter and stumpier.
?

He's going to be a very similar size to McCaw, who thinks that's a problem?
a little shorter, but yes.
twitchy
Posts: 3280
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:04 am

Re: Tonga

Post by twitchy »

Wilson and coka are injury doubts.
Banquo
Posts: 19147
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Banquo »

twitchy wrote:Wilson and coka are injury doubts.
First match? Tourney?
Scrumhead
Posts: 5984
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:33 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Scrumhead »

First match apparently.
twitchy
Posts: 3280
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:04 am

Re: Tonga

Post by twitchy »

I'm treating this as the tonga match thread. :)
User avatar
richy678
Posts: 249
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:01 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by richy678 »

Banquo wrote:
twitchy wrote:Wilson and coka are injury doubts.
First match? Tourney?
Ok - we have cover at flanker and wing - it looks like Wilson is considered as reserve number 8, that is a worry.
User avatar
Puja
Posts: 17694
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:16 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Puja »

twitchy wrote:I'm treating this as the tonga match thread. :)
As you should. Nothing without a long build-up.

When's the team due to be announced? Friday?

Puja
Backist Monk
User avatar
Stom
Posts: 5840
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:57 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Stom »

With no Wilson or Coka, who do you pick?

We need to ease some players into it and wrap others in cotton wool. Frustrating we need to play Billy against Tonga, though...

Marler
LCD
Cole
Itoje
Kruis
Ludlam
Underhill
Billy
Heinz
Farrell
May
Francis
Joseph
McConnochie
Daly

Singleton, Genge, Sinckler, Lawes, Curry, Youngs, Ford, Watson
Renniks
Posts: 724
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:12 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Renniks »

Really awkward that we might have injured players for game 1, because if we had all 31 available, I'd use Tonga as a second string starters game - but I'm not sure can do that at all

I'd personally look to have no-one starting who we expect to start the rest of the tournament…

(Itoje, Kruis, Billy, Farrell, May, Daly - from your list @Stom)

The issue is that we don't really have other options for Billy, Farrell, May, and Daly without introducing one of the other starters!)
TheDasher
Posts: 516
Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:58 am

Re: Tonga

Post by TheDasher »

Has Ludlam played 8 before? Anyone know?
Scrumhead
Posts: 5984
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:33 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Scrumhead »

We don’t have many options.

By my reckoning, we have 6 injuries: Mako, Nowell, Wilson, Cokanasiga are definitely out as well as Slade and Singleton likely to be unavailable.

That means we need to pick our 23 from 25 players which is definitely less than ideal. It’ll have to be mix and match but with a few more first choice players in there than I’d like to risk.
User avatar
Puja
Posts: 17694
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:16 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Puja »

TheDasher wrote:Has Ludlam played 8 before? Anyone know?
We all know what the answer is:

Image

Puja
Backist Monk
Scrumhead
Posts: 5984
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:33 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Scrumhead »

In the circumstances, I’d go with:

1. Genge
2. Cowan-Dickie
3. Cole
4. Lawes
5. Launchbury
6. Ludlam
7. Underhill
8. Vunipola
9. Heinz
10. Ford
11. May
12. Francis
13. Joseph
14. McConnochie
15. Daly

16. George
17. Marler
18. Sinckler
19. Kruis
20. Itoje
21. Youngs
22. Farrell
23. Watson

As much as I’d like a few more players rested, that’s about the best we can do. Although, let’s not forget that this Tonga side is not as strong as some of their previous RWC sides.
Banquo
Posts: 19147
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Banquo »

Scrumhead wrote:We don’t have many options.

By my reckoning, we have 6 injuries: Mako, Nowell, Wilson, Cokanasiga are definitely out as well as Slade and Singleton likely to be unavailable.

That means we need to pick our 23 from 25 players which is definitely less than ideal. It’ll have to be mix and match but with a few more first choice players in there than I’d like to risk.
Its a little worse than careless. Three longish term injured going into the tourney strikes me as too many given the mysterious balance of the squad. Not sure how much of a role Slade and Nowell can realistically play.
Scrumhead
Posts: 5984
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:33 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Scrumhead »

I thought Slade was supposed to have been touch and go for the Italy game, but as we haven’t heard anything since, I’m assuming he’s not fit. He could be ready to go for all we know.

The knocks to Wilson, Cokanasiga and Singleton are a pain, but in fairness to Eddie, I don’t see what we could have done differently to account for minor training injuries?
Banquo
Posts: 19147
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Banquo »

Scrumhead wrote:I thought Slade was supposed to have been touch and go for the Italy game, but as we haven’t heard anything since, I’m assuming he’s not fit. He could be ready to go for all we know.

The knocks to Wilson, Cokanasiga and Singleton are a pain, but in fairness to Eddie, I don’t see what we could have done differently to account for minor training injuries?
That wasn't the point I made. We've gone into the tournament with three players who have been out for ages, albeit they tried with Mako.
User avatar
Mr Mwenda
Posts: 2459
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:42 am

Re: Tonga

Post by Mr Mwenda »

I assumed the deliberately selecting injured players was a barmy scheme to rearrange the squad at a later date...
fivepointer
Posts: 5896
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:42 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by fivepointer »

I did comment on another thread that we were taking a chance in bringing along 3 players who were unlikely to feature in the opening pool games. You only needed a couple of other injuries and you'd be down to the bare bones.
Well, guess what?
Bear in mind that the USA is 4 days after Tonga. If we pick up a few knocks in our first game you can forget any kind of planning. It'll be if you're fit, you're playing.
Banquo
Posts: 19147
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:52 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Banquo »

fivepointer wrote:I did comment on another thread that we were taking a chance in bringing along 3 players who were unlikely to feature in the opening pool games. You only needed a couple of other injuries and you'd be down to the bare bones.
Well, guess what?
Bear in mind that the USA is 4 days after Tonga. If we pick up a few knocks in our first game you can forget any kind of planning. It'll be if you're fit, you're playing.
apols, didn't see it, and yes.
User avatar
jngf
Posts: 1571
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:57 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by jngf »

The no.8 situation is a predictable selectorial cock up imo.
Still not sure what Eddie’s first choice XV is in its entirety. Who are our first (and numbered) choice back three, centers, stand off, flankers?

Guessing at Eddie’s first XV it looks like:

1.Mako
2.George
3.Sinkler
4.Itoje
5.Kruis
6.?
7.?
8.Billy
9.Youngs
10.?
11.May
12.?
13.?
14.?
15.?

Anyone able to fill in the gaps?
User avatar
jngf
Posts: 1571
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:57 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by jngf »

Puja wrote:
TheDasher wrote:Has Ludlam played 8 before? Anyone know?
We all know what the answer is:

Image

Puja
Can only hope ;)

I believe Ludlum has capacity to play 8 but Saints fans may know more - wouldn’t say hard yards carrying in tight traffic is particularly his style though. Would prefer to see a converted Itoje given a go if required.
User avatar
Puja
Posts: 17694
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:16 pm

Re: Tonga

Post by Puja »

jngf wrote:The no.8 situation is a predictable selectorial cock up imo.
Still not sure what Eddie’s first choice XV is in its entirety. Who are our first (and numbered) choice back three, centers, stand off, flankers?

Guessing at Eddie’s first XV it looks like:

1.Mako
2.George
3.Sinkler
4.Itoje
5.Kruis
6.?
7.?
8.Billy
9.Youngs
10.?
11.May
12.?
13.?
14.?
15.?

Anyone able to fill in the gaps?
You'd say that we're stuck with Daly at 15. I'll be surprised if the midfield isn't Ford/Farrell/Manu, although there is a slight chance that he's an idiot and thinks Farrell/Manu/Slade is still his best option.

Puja
Backist Monk
Post Reply