Losing Bonus Points

[CunningPunter]

I wondered if they were awarding LBPs in the group stages and looked it up - yes they are, but for some reason if you lose by 8 or less, not 7 as in the Premiership (and everywhere else I'm aware of).

Anyone know the reason for this?

[Puja]

I wondered if they were awarding LBPs in the group stages and looked it up - yes they are, but for some reason if you lose by 8 or less, not 7 as in the Premiership (and everywhere else I'm aware of).

Anyone know the reason for this?

I think you may have misread it. Wikipedia quite confusingly states it as "losing by less than 8 points" which is correct, but oddly worded. The Rugby Wold Cup website says "loss by 7 points or less" (fewer!).

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/tournament-rules

Puja

[Galfon]

The Rugby Wold Cup website says "loss by 7 points or less"

Yorkshire v. Lincolnshire final ?..

[CunningPunter]

I wondered if they were awarding LBPs in the group stages and looked it up - yes they are, but for some reason if you lose by 8 or less, not 7 as in the Premiership (and everywhere else I'm aware of).

Anyone know the reason for this?

I think you may have misread it. Wikipedia quite confusingly states it as "losing by less than 8 points" which is correct, but oddly worded. The Rugby Wold Cup website says "loss by 7 points or less" (fewer!).

https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/tournament-rules

Puja

You're right! The first reply on Google, which on closer inspection turns out to be from the Sun, says "lose by eight or less":

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/5448512/ ... and-tonga/

but others (eg the Independent) say "less than eight points", and as you say the RWC site confirms this.

A lesson to evaluate one's sources I suppose ...

[belgarion]

Don't even think you should have a bonus point for losing whatever the points difference. Why give somebody a reward just cos they kept the score down. You don't see it in any other sport

[Which Tyler]

Don't even think you should have a bonus point for losing whatever the points difference. Why give somebody a reward just cos they kept the score down. You don't see it in any other sport

In an ideal world, I agree, but then I'd say the same for the TBP as well

[Mellsblue]

Part of the idea of bonus points is to try and give teams incentives towards the end of the game and to incentivise more spectator friendly play. It’s not just a reward for production but also a carrot for a good performance/spectacle.

Slightly off topic but.....I’d like something along the lines of the NFL two point conversion. Perhaps a scrum on the 22, inline with where the try was scored and the attacking team has a set time or number of breakdowns to score a try.

[Digby]

So you'd remove a contest for the ball?

[Puja]

Don't even think you should have a bonus point for losing whatever the points difference. Why give somebody a reward just cos they kept the score down. You don't see it in any other sport

I like it. Rugby is probably the fairest sport out there - it's very hard to fluke a win and most of the time the scoreline reflects the game. If you're within 7 points, then you have generally pushed the other side hard (in more than a few cases, leading the match until the last few minutes) and I have no qualms about rewarding that, rather than sending them away with nothing.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

So you'd remove a contest for the ball?

No. Normal play but with time and/or breakdown limit. If the first thing they do is knock on or the defending team force a turnover at the first breakdown then they’ve lost their chance.

[Digby]

So you'd remove a contest for the ball?

No. Normal play but with time and/or breakdown limit. If the first thing they do is knock on or the defending team force a turnover at the first breakdown then they’ve lost their chance.

So there's only a minimum time or number of breakdowns on the part of the attacking side, gotcha. Would you be removing the kicking option for a conversion? If not how many extra points would be needed to tempt teams to go for the extras?

[Mellsblue]

So you'd remove a contest for the ball?

No. Normal play but with time and/or breakdown limit. If the first thing they do is knock on or the defending team force a turnover at the first breakdown then they’ve lost their chance.

So there's only a minimum time or number of breakdowns on the part of the attacking side, gotcha. Would you be removing the kicking option for a conversion? If not how many extra points would be needed to tempt teams to go for the extras?

Yep. In place of the conversion. Points is difficult. 3 seems like not enough of a reward for the risk, 4 seems too close to a standard try. Could return a conversion to 1 point, I suppose. It’s getting too messy. As you were.

[richy678]

I always thought an aussie rules type (centre) bounce restart could be a novel restart in Union. I don't think it would work in the present climate of referring challenge in the air etc.

[richy678]

I always thought an aussie rules type (centre) bounce restart could be a novel restart in Union. I don't think it would work in the present climate of referring challenge in the air etc.

[onlynameleft]

Blue cards allowing a losing side to bring on an extra player if they were more than 20 points down would be ace.

[Mellsblue]

What have I started? Sorry all.

[onlynameleft]

Two players would probably better as that way you could have double flankers with the second set pushing either side of the second row.

[Puja]

One word for you - Multiball!

Puja

[Lizard]

Three teams, triangular pitch.

[Mellsblue]

Rugby X.

[Digby]

4D Chess

[Puja]

Rugby X.

The thread is won; thank you everyone else for playing.

Puja

[Digby]

How many times are ITV going to allow Ugo and Lawrence to give their business a free plug?

[Puja]

How many times are ITV going to allow Ugo and Lawrence to give their business a free plug?

Clearly not enough, cause I haven't a clue what their business is.

Puja

[Digby]

How many times are ITV going to allow Ugo and Lawrence to give their business a free plug?

Clearly not enough, cause I haven't a clue what their business is.

Puja

Aren't they ambassadors for RugbyX? If not they're talking about it an awful lot