England - USA

[Epaminondas Pules]

And I don’t see what front-foot ball has to do with it either to be honest.

Ford, Manu, JJ would absolutely absolutely thrive on front-foot ball…

But, if we're struggling in the breakdown, or the set-piece, and we're not creating go-forward - it doesn't give us many outs…

Other than Manu closer in, where you'd need him if not on the front foot.

Both as a carrier and dummy.

[Banquo]

Ford, Manu, JJ would absolutely absolutely thrive on front-foot ball…

But, if we're struggling in the breakdown, or the set-piece, and we're not creating go-forward - it doesn't give us many outs…

Other than Manu closer in, where you'd need him if not on the front foot.

Both as a carrier and dummy.

harsh. Dummy runner maybe

[Raggs]

Assuming he picks his first choice line-up for Argentina, Jones's backline will be Youngs, Ford, May, Farrell, Tuilagi, Watson, Daly.

His tight five will be Mako(if fit), George, Sinckler, Itoje, Kruis.

Will his back-row be Curry, Underhill and Billy or Wilson, Curry and Billy?

Then the bench will presumably be: Marler, LCD, Cole, Lawes, Underhill/Wilson, Heinz, JJ and Coka.

None of those units would be my choice apart from the back-row IF he picks Wilson, Curry and Billy.

go on then....pray tell

+1

Can't see anything wrong with any of those to be honest, except maybe Daly at FB, but despite not looking great on the counter, he's been looking better in the air recently.

Might plump for Launch vs Kruis, but I'm not going to be better about it.

[Oakboy]

Assuming he picks his first choice line-up for Argentina, Jones's backline will be Youngs, Ford, May, Farrell, Tuilagi, Watson, Daly.

His tight five will be Mako(if fit), George, Sinckler, Itoje, Kruis.

Will his back-row be Curry, Underhill and Billy or Wilson, Curry and Billy?

Then the bench will presumably be: Marler, LCD, Cole, Lawes, Underhill/Wilson, Heinz, JJ and Coka.

None of those units would be my choice apart from the back-row IF he picks Wilson, Curry and Billy.

go on then....pray tell

I'd pick the following, on the assumption that Nowell and Slade are not fit (and using Jones's squad - which would not be mine):

Marler, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Lawes, Wilson, Curry, Billy, Heinz, Ford, May, Tuilagi, JJ, Daly, Watson.

Bench:
Mako, LCD, Cole, Launchbury, Underhill, Youngs, Farrell, Coka.

How about you?

[Galfon]

Youngs & Coka swapsy with Heinz, Daly.
Just seen highlights - Ford continues to play sublime link stuff, easier in the armchair of course.
Plenty options in backrow & wing.Pity Billy V, Daly & Launch a bit below earlier levels atm.
Faz lucky not to get more serious injury from Quill assault, no argument aboud red.Francis may get in bother for his early hit.
Can't help feeling Eng will get exposed at 15 at some stage...was going to say 9 as well but Heinz gives a steady option.

[Mellsblue]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

[p/d]

Doesn’t look good slowed down. Mind you nor does Ford’s run up to kick.....oh wait, that was at full speed

[JellyHead]

Which tackle are people talking about for Francis being cited?

[Which Tyler]

Which tackle are people talking about for Francis being cited?

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[JellyHead]

Ok I thought so. I've been watching the game this evening knowing the score and the comments about citing Francis. I stopped counting tackles and neck and head contacts higher than this when I ran out of fingers midway through the first half. And I live in the Fens.

[Scrumhead]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

Doesn’t look great, but does Wilson actually connect?

It looks like he goes to make the hit and Hooley falls straight down. Had Hooley landed on his feet, it looks to me like it would be a hard, but otherwise OK tackle.

[Beasties]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

You could tell Hooley had landed badly and/or something else happened at the time but total lack of replays meant it went by unnoticed as a problem incident other than the obv injury concern. None of the US players seemed to be making a fuss which is generally a good indicator.

To me, it looks worse in slowmo (no surprise there) but was just an unfortunate incident. Even in slowmo you could tell he'd no hope of landing properly irrespective of whether Wilson was there or not. Wilson waited for the landing but had 0.1 of a millisecond to adjust to how Hooley was landing. Any sanction against him would simply be wrong imo, as bad as I feel for Hooley who'd clearly been badly hurt.

[Puja]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

I've looked at it and come to the conclusion that there's no arm to the head, but his arm does go under the raised leg and that's what whips Hooley backwards and slams his head against the ground. However, since Hooley's back leg has touched the ground and so it's not a tackle in the air, the main cause is Hooley having his leg raised towards tacklers like a ballerina.

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Unfortunate rugby incident, with the only consequence being a brief conversation about whether catchers should be allowed to kick out their front foot to ward off competition in the air.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

Doesn’t look great, but does Wilson actually connect?

It looks like he goes to make the hit and Hooley falls straight down. Had Hooley landed on his feet, it looks to me like it would be a hard, but otherwise OK tackle.

Hooley went off on a stretcher so I’m guessing contact was made.

Your last paragraph is how I see it but World Rugby might not like the optics of a bloke being stretchered off and the guy making the tackle walking away a free man.

Tbh, the high tackle was handled horribly all match. Francis wasn’t even talked to with the first tackle of the match and Hooley wasn’t taken for a HIA, Farrell wasn’t either when Quill gave him a Scottish kiss and Wilson’s tackle wasn’t even referred to the TMO despite the tackled man leaving the field on a stretcher.

[Mellsblue]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

I've looked at it and come to the conclusion that there's no arm to the head, but his arm does go under the raised leg and that's what whips Hooley backwards and slams his head against the ground. However, since Hooley's back leg has touched the ground and so it's not a tackle in the air, the main cause is Hooley having his leg raised towards tacklers like a ballerina.

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Unfortunate rugby incident, with the only consequence being a brief conversation about whether catchers should be allowed to kick out their front foot to ward off competition in the air.

Puja

So, tip tackle, legs above the horizontal and therefore a red card offence? I jest. I agree, it’s rugby accident if a nasty one.

[Timbo]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

Doesn’t look great, but does Wilson actually connect?

It looks like he goes to make the hit and Hooley falls straight down. Had Hooley landed on his feet, it looks to me like it would be a hard, but otherwise OK tackle.

Hooley went off on a stretcher so I’m guessing contact was made.

Contact between Hooleys head and the ground.

Looks to me like Wilson barely touches him.

[Timbo]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

I've looked at it and come to the conclusion that there's no arm to the head, but his arm does go under the raised leg and that's what whips Hooley backwards and slams his head against the ground. However, since Hooley's back leg has touched the ground and so it's not a tackle in the air, the main cause is Hooley having his leg raised towards tacklers like a ballerina.

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Unfortunate rugby incident, with the only consequence being a brief conversation about whether catchers should be allowed to kick out their front foot to ward off competition in the air.

Puja

Your first screen shot: Wilson and Hooley have literally only just made (very minimal) contact in that shot...take Wilson out of that equation, look at Hooleys standing/left foot and the angle of his body, he’s hitting the deck hard and neck/head first regardless there. Really don’t think Wilson’s actions have any effect.

[Danno]

Looks like Wilson expected to clatter him on the landing, but did not take account of said landing becoming horizontal within .36 of a second and ended up largely flying over him

On reflection I'm not even sure that tweet is being serious

[p/d]

On reflection I'm not even sure that tweet is being serious

Bedford supporter

[Puja]

Can’t work out whether this is a swinging arm to the head or just a standard tackle gone wrong due to Hooley landing terribly. Think I lean towards the latter. Hooley was also the player on the end of Francis’ tackle, which I think should definitely be cited. Hooley took a bit of going over, all things considered.

I've looked at it and come to the conclusion that there's no arm to the head, but his arm does go under the raised leg and that's what whips Hooley backwards and slams his head against the ground. However, since Hooley's back leg has touched the ground and so it's not a tackle in the air, the main cause is Hooley having his leg raised towards tacklers like a ballerina.

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Unfortunate rugby incident, with the only consequence being a brief conversation about whether catchers should be allowed to kick out their front foot to ward off competition in the air.

Puja

Your first screen shot: Wilson and Hooley have literally only just made (very minimal) contact in that shot...take Wilson out of that equation, look at Hooleys standing/left foot and the angle of his body, he’s hitting the deck hard and neck/head first regardless there. Really don’t think Wilson’s actions have any effect.

I think Wilson's accelerated him going backwards, but you are right that he was always falling down and whacking his head even if Wilson wasn't there.

Puja

[Raggs]

It wasn't a tip tackle. The tmo checked it out and said there wasn't anything in it, I don't see it either. Hooley had a foot on the ground at all times, and was coming down on his side. Wilson was committed to a perfectly timed tackle (that wasn't high or dangerous). Rugby incident.

Still feel Francis hits the shoulder first, the american players head jerks towards him, then off the shoulder. In addition to him clearly dipping, that's 2 pieces of mitigation, which brings it to a yellow/pen for me.

[jngf]

Pleased to see Ludlum get a try, I think he’s going to give both T Curry and Underhill a good run for their money regarding post Rwc 2019 competition for openside flanker berth. Plus Ben Curry, Kvesic,Simmonds,Clifford,Evans,Willis will make this a nice area of strength in depth.

[Renniks]

All the news on the Quill - Farrell tackle talks about Quill causing the nose injury - prettttty sure in the replays it was already fecked
Even if EJ was partly to cause for the way the news is being reported - doesn't anyone watch back replays before writing articles about it

Feck - I'm pretty sure the people on this board put more effort into their posts than sports writers.

[Mellsblue]

I've looked at it and come to the conclusion that there's no arm to the head, but his arm does go under the raised leg and that's what whips Hooley backwards and slams his head against the ground. However, since Hooley's back leg has touched the ground and so it's not a tackle in the air, the main cause is Hooley having his leg raised towards tacklers like a ballerina.

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Unfortunate rugby incident, with the only consequence being a brief conversation about whether catchers should be allowed to kick out their front foot to ward off competition in the air.

Puja

Your first screen shot: Wilson and Hooley have literally only just made (very minimal) contact in that shot...take Wilson out of that equation, look at Hooleys standing/left foot and the angle of his body, he’s hitting the deck hard and neck/head first regardless there. Really don’t think Wilson’s actions have any effect.

I think Wilson's accelerated him going backwards, but you are right that he was always falling down and whacking his head even if Wilson wasn't there.

Puja

I honestly can’t see how anyone doesn’t think Wilson hasn’t affected Hooley’s landing. Wilson is clearly in contact with Hooley just as his foot touches the ground with no way of bracing him self for the contact. At those speeds and with Hooley landing at the angle he does, an angle then exacerbated by the tackler, Wilson certainly makes things a lot worse. Like I say, for me it’s a rugby incident but I think Wilson causes the player to land on his neck/head. How anyone can’t see Francis as a high tackle is beyond me.
FYI, Hooley passed all scans and is now in protocol.

[Mellsblue]

I've looked at it and come to the conclusion that there's no arm to the head, but his arm does go under the raised leg and that's what whips Hooley backwards and slams his head against the ground. However, since Hooley's back leg has touched the ground and so it's not a tackle in the air, the main cause is Hooley having his leg raised towards tacklers like a ballerina.

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Unfortunate rugby incident, with the only consequence being a brief conversation about whether catchers should be allowed to kick out their front foot to ward off competition in the air.

Puja

Your first screen shot: Wilson and Hooley have literally only just made (very minimal) contact in that shot...take Wilson out of that equation, look at Hooleys standing/left foot and the angle of his body, he’s hitting the deck hard and neck/head first regardless there. Really don’t think Wilson’s actions have any effect.

I think Wilson's accelerated him going backwards, but you are right that he was always falling down and whacking his head even if Wilson wasn't there.

Puja

At those speeds and with Hooley unable to brace himself it only needs the slightest of touches to turn it from a poor landing to one that requires a stretcher.
I do wonder what the reaction would be if that was a US player on Daly.