What is this "All Blacks XV" bullshit?

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What is this "All Blacks XV" bullshit?

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https://www.allblacks.com/news/new-high ... from-2020/
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has today announced that a new high performance team will assemble this year and undertake a mini tour of Northern Hemisphere venues.

The team, named the All Blacks XV, will play three matches in the last weekend of October and first two weekends of November.

NZR Chief Rugby Officer Nigel Cass said the team will provide a new national team aspiration for current professional players, and a career step towards the All Blacks for many.

It follows in the footsteps of similar teams which have assembled throughout New Zealand recent rugby's history, including the Junior All Blacks, New Zealand A and Emerging Players.

"The All Blacks XV will be our second-tier team below the All Blacks and made up New Zealand's 'next best' players," Cass said.

"This is a fantastic opportunity for those players to experience a national team environment and prove themselves on the international stage, or for those who have already worn the All Blacks jersey to get more game time at this level and potentially earn a recall to the team.

"The high-performance benefits of this team will be significant. It will help to develop the next group of players, many of whom will likely become our future All Blacks, as well as give further opportunities for our coaches and other team personnel.

"We also believe that this will aid with retention of players and personnel in New Zealand, which will benefit our Super Rugby clubs and provincial unions as well as the All Blacks," Cass said.

Cass said that, while the concept of a second-tier national team was not new in New Zealand, the intention was for the All Blacks XV to become a regular national team playing second-tier overseas opposition.

"Teams such as the New Zealand A team and the Junior All Blacks who last played in the Pacific Nations Cup in 2009 have filled a similar high-performance role and have done so effectively, with a very high percentage going on to play for the All Blacks.

"These teams have been sporadic in the past, and we believe that there is great value in making this a regular national team going forward.

"Beyond its high-performance role, this new team also has real commercial value for NZR. It will play offshore in growing rugby markets that are of strategic and commercial importance, allowing us to showcase and grow New Zealand's brand of rugby in many more parts of the world," Cass said.

New Zealand Rugby Players' Association (NZRPA) CEO Rob Nichol said the team was a positive move for players.
"Players are excited about the prospects of this team. If they don't quite make the All Blacks touring squad, being able to push their case through Super Rugby and Mitre 10 Cup for selection to the All Blacks XV will be a strong motivator for many. It will provide an opportunity for quality players to tour and represent their country against some tough international opposition, to play alongside players and work with coaches they respect and a platform to continue that push for higher honours. When you contemplate what this team will look like and the type of rugby it will be capable of, it's quite intriguing," Nichol said.

NZR has formed an exclusive partnership with sports promotion company Left Field Live (LFL) to arrange, promote and deliver the All Blacks XV matches in 2020 and 2021.

"We have previously worked with the team at LFL on international games including the two All Blacks matches in Chicago and the UK Barbarians match in 2017," Cass said. "We know that they bring great events experience and promotional skills to the table, so we have great confidence in what they will deliver for this team."

Details of the first of the All Blacks XV match will be announced by LFL at an event in North America this afternoon. Details of the two other 2020 All Blacks XV matches will be announced in due course.
I'm all for national development and taking the game to less-traditional opponents, but what exactly is this team?

Will it replace the Junior All Blacks as NZ'sd official "next senior" side for the purposes of capturing national eligibility under World Rugby's regulation 8? The JABS are basically defunct anyway, not having been selected since 2009. Personally, I don't mind us not capturing that second tier of players - it's a way to help the Islands out to a an extent. But it will look a bit silly having a team run-about that is officially designated as our "second-tier" but has not been notified to World Rugby as such.

The second issue is the status of the matches and players. I presume that they will not be included as "real All Blacks" in the way that mid-week tour matches were, and the old uncapped internationals against the likes of Argentina and Fiji? It's going to mighty confusing for historians though, to have to distinguish between the All Blacks and an All Blacks XV.

I would rather see the revival of "New Zealand A" but I guess the marketers don't like that. Getting rid of the "Junior All Blacks" moniker for a non-age based team is a step in the right direction though. I wonder if there is any connection with AIG not renewing its sponsorship deal?
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What a pile of shyte. "Beyond its high-performance role, this new team also has real commercial value for NZR". That is a thin veil, not worthy of the cheapest veneer. What chance this is a reaction to Poly boys thinking their legacy better remembered in terms of cultural loyalty, currently better accommodated by rugby league? The NZRFU really are a pack of old wombles that get hard over the school song.
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That just reads like they're doing a New Zealand A side, but find it easier to market it under the confusing title of New Zealand XV, cause non-rugby-dominant markets like US and Russia will probably think they're getting the real thing.

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Puja wrote:That just reads like they're doing a New Zealand A side, but find it easier to market it under the confusing title of New Zealand XV, cause non-rugby-dominant markets like US and Russia will probably think they're getting the real thing.

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You might be onto something there Puja, lots of Canadians didn't make the distinction between the Maori All Blacks and the All Blacks when they toured here.
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J Dory wrote:
Puja wrote:That just reads like they're doing a New Zealand A side, but find it easier to market it under the confusing title of New Zealand XV, cause non-rugby-dominant markets like US and Russia will probably think they're getting the real thing.

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You might be onto something there Puja, lots of Canadians didn't make the distinction between the Maori All Blacks and the All Blacks when they toured here.
Hell, most of the Americans that turned up to the league test in Denver the other year were under the impression that they were watching the All Blacks.

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Look, when they renamed the England A side the Saxons they came up with many of the same lines about adding commercial value, and now all these years later I'd have to admit it's made not the slightest bit of difference. The only people watching A games are sad fucks who're going to be watching a lot of rugby whatever it's called
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I like it and I think they'll go to all corners of the globe playing anyone and everyone helping grow the game. I can see the AB's touring the NH and the AB XV at the same time in North America and then Europe playing the Romanians, Georgia, Spain etc etc. Doing more for the game than the 6Ns currently do.
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It's just the Juniors under a different name. What's the point in getting so worked up over it? "NZRU AMN'T USING NAME ME WANT USING!" Spare me.
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cashead wrote:It's just the Juniors under a different name. What's the point in getting so worked up over it? "NZRU AMN'T USING NAME ME WANT USING!" Spare me.
Yeah but it's not. The JABS are going to stay our nationality-capturing side for at least this year. If they change that to the ABXV next year and continue to play that team, then that is actually a huge shift in NZRU policy compared to the past 11 years.
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