Saracens vs Quins

[Puja]

Saracens: 15 Elliott Obatoyinbo, 14 Alex Lewington, 13 Dom Morris, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Sean Maitland, 10 Owen Farrell, 9 Aled Davies, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Jackson Wray, 6 Mike Rhodes, 5 Callum Hunter-Hill, 4 Maro Itoje, 3 Vincent Koch, 2 Jamie George, 1 Sam Crean
Replacements: 16 Tom Woolstencroft, 17 Richard Barrington, 18 Josh Ibuanokpe, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Sean Reffell, 21 Tom Whiteley, 22 Juan Pablo Socino, 23 Manu Vunipola

Harlequins: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Aaron Morris, 13 Joe Marchant, 12 James Lang, 11 Nathan Earle, 10 Marcus Smith, 9 Martin Landajo, 8 Alex Dombrandt, 7 Chris Robshaw (c), 6 James Chisholm, 5 Matt Symons, 4 Stephan Lewies, 3 Simon Kerrod, 2 Scott Baldwin, 1 Joe Marler
Replacements: 16 Joe Gray, 17 Santiago Garcia Botta, 18 Will Collier, 19 Dino Lamb, 20 Tom Lawday, 21 Will Evans, 22 Scott Steele, 23 Paul Lasike

[Scrumhead]

Slightly surprised by that Saracens side. Strong pack minus the rookie loosehead but definitely more of a mix and match group of backs.

With the exception of Ashton dropping out for Morris, that is the same Quins 23 as last week and pretty much our strongest side until Esterhuizen, Louw and Green arrive.

[Mikey Brown]

Did Daly move already?

[Mikey Brown]

Oof. Tough moment for Dombrandt there.

[Mikey Brown]

Jamie George is so reliably in the middle of those situations, you have to commend him.

[Tigersman]

Did the ref really just check that cause Faz rushed the kick?
Not that he actually thought something happened?

[Epaminondas Pules]

That was really poor work rate from Dombrandt. Just left the ruck unguarded for a walk in.

[Mikey Brown]

Surely that's a wrong call?

The penalty didn't make touch because Maitland kept it in, even if it was knocked on.

Well Sarries win it back anyway so that's fair.

[Scrumhead]

Really frustrating to watch ...

Saracens playing very little rugby but we’ve given them so much field position and so many easy opportunities.

[Banquo]

where is it on?

[Scrumhead]

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[Mikey Brown]

It's so weird seeing Tim Swinson in a Sarries shirt.

[Mikey Brown]

9 players from England juniors in 2013 now retired? Did I hear that right?

[Mikey Brown]

Ha, 6 missed tackles in 3 seconds from Farrell there.

[Banquo]

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[Scrumhead]

9 players from England juniors in 2013 now retired? Did I hear that right?

Yep. Something like that anyway. Although not all through injury like Barrow and Jennings.

Definitely Clifford, Conlon, Barrow, Hanson, Scott Wilson and Jennings. Not sure about a few others like Spurling?

[twitchy]

where is it on?

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[Scrumhead]

Somewhat ironic that Saracens literally have the word ‘honesty’ written on their stand.

[Epaminondas Pules]

9 players from England juniors in 2013 now retired? Did I hear that right?

Yep. Something like that anyway. Although not all through injury like Barrow and Jennings.

Definitely Clifford, Conlon, Barrow, Hanson, Scott Wilson and Jennings. Not sure about a few others like Spurling?

Matt Hankin retired very young after repeated head knocks.

But then look at 2011 where only 5 have retired and two of them were to go and try it in the NFL.

[Timbo]

9 players from England juniors in 2013 now retired? Did I hear that right?

Yep. Something like that anyway. Although not all through injury like Barrow and Jennings.

Definitely Clifford, Conlon, Barrow, Hanson, Scott Wilson and Jennings. Not sure about a few others like Spurling?

Matt Hankin retired very young after repeated head knocks.

But then look at 2011 where only 5 have retired and two of them were to go and try it in the NFL.

Conlon is back playing again now. Was told to take 2 years off due to neck injury, but recently signed to either a Championship or Nat 1 team.

Spurling is retired, but I think not injury related.

Hankin is suing Saracens for mistreatment relating to his head injury which occurred during a drinking game involving a fire extinguisher! He was in a really bad place for a couple of years post injury, headaches, constant dizziness etc. Spent days indoors , lights off, couldn’t drive, watch tv....

[Epaminondas Pules]

Yep. Something like that anyway. Although not all through injury like Barrow and Jennings.

Definitely Clifford, Conlon, Barrow, Hanson, Scott Wilson and Jennings. Not sure about a few others like Spurling?

Matt Hankin retired very young after repeated head knocks.

But then look at 2011 where only 5 have retired and two of them were to go and try it in the NFL.

Conlon is back playing again now. Was told to take 2 years off due to neck injury, but recently signed to either a Championship or Nat 1 team.

Spurling is retired, but I think not injury related.

Hankin is suing Saracens for mistreatment relating to his head injury which occurred during a drinking game involving a fire extinguisher! He was in a really bad place for a couple of years post injury, headaches, constant dizziness etc. Spent days indoors , lights off, couldn’t drive, watch tv....

Suing Barrington as well isn’t he?