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17 November 2018, AB lost to Ireland, BF lost to France.Mr Mwenda wrote:Stat query, was last week the first time the all blacks and black ferns both lost on the same day? Likewise, was yesterday the first time they both lost to the same opponent on the same day?
Update time!Lizard wrote: (Edited)
Most tries scored for each 6N/RC country
Argentina: Jose Nunez Piossek (29/28 caps)
Australia: David Campese (64 tries/101)
England: Rory Underwood (49/85)
France: Serge Blanco (38/93)
Ireland: Brian O'Driscoll (46/133)
Italy: Marcello Cuttitta (25/54)
New Zealand: Doug Howlett (49/62)
Scotland: Ian Smith (24/32), Tony Stanger (24/52)
South Africa: Bryan Habana (67/124)
Wales: Shane Williams (58/87)
These exclude tries/caps for the Lions
A further update:Lizard wrote: ↑Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:23 pmAnd while I'm updating, this record is still not under any serious threat given that J Savea has been unable to mount a comeback and increase his tally of 46 (2nd= with Cullen & Rokocoko).Lizard wrote:I'll look at these wingers at some point. in the meantime...
Progression of the All Black's Try-Scoring Record
Opai Asher, 1 (scored on 15 August 1903): The first try scorer in NZ’s first test. Equalled in the same match by Dick McGregor and George Tyler.
Duncan McGregor, 2 to 6 (scored between 13 August 1904 - 16 December 1905): No relation to Dick, he scored twice in NZ’s 2nd ever test v Lions to take the record to 2. This was equalled by Archie McMinn, George Smith and Bob Deans (of disallowed try v Wales fame). McGregor then scored an amazing 4 tries in the Originals’ test v England to take the record to 6, where it remained when he retired.
Frank Mitchinson, 7 to 10 (25 July 1908 – 2 July 1910): Mitchinson equalled McGregor’s mark in the first test against the Anglo-Welsh in 1908, before scoring 3 tries in the 3rd test of the series to take the record and extend it to 9. He scored once more, v Australia in 1910 and retired as the record holder in 1913 with 10. This mark stood through both World Wars until…
Ian Kirkpatrick, 11 to 16 (6 January 1973 – 30 July 1977): This legendary loose-forward gained the record against England on 6 January 1973, having drawn level the previous year v Australia. He took the record to 16 in his penultimate test, the 3rd of 4 against the 1977 Lions.
Stu Wilson, 17 – 19 (16 July 1983): It was on the very next Lions tour to NZ (only 6 years later!) that Stu Wilson equalled the record in the 3rd test and scored 3 in the 4th test hiding to move the record to 19 – the second time that the record was taken in a hat-trick against a team now regarded as Lions. (The only other hat-trick v Lions was recorded by Springbok Tom van Vollenhoven in the 2nd test in 1955).
John Kirwan, 20 – 35(3 July 1988 – 9 July 1994): Kirwan drew equal with and surpassed Wilson in scoring twice v Australia in 1988. He held the record for the rest of his career, retiring with 35.
Jeff Wilson, 36 – 39 (14 October 1999 – 31 October 1999): Once again the record was equalled and overtaken in the course of a hat-trick, this time by Goldie moving the mark to 37 v Italy at RWC1999. Wilson became the first record holder to be overtaken during his career (he ended in 2001 with 44 tries to his name), by the incomparable…
Christian Cullen, 40 – 46 (19 August 2000 – 29June 2002): Cullen took advantage of Wilson taking a break from test rugby in 2000 to level the record on 5 August 2000 v Oz in the Tri Nations, and take it outright scoring a brace two weeks later v SA. Wilson never caught up and when Cullen was outrageously dropped he had taken the record to 46.
Doug Howlett, 47 – 49 (23 September 2007 – 29 September 2007): Howlett drew level with Cully by virtue of yet another RWC hat-trick v Italy on 8 September 2007. He took the record to 48 in his next game v Scotland, and to 49 v Romania. Staggeringly, he was hubristically rested for the infamous QF so that is where his record ended and still stands today.
Current contenders include Beauden Barrett, who needs 16 more tries to take the crown. He might increase his strike rate (0.42) playing more at fullback but he's still going to need 30-odd more tests to get there. If the test schedule returns to normal, and he plays through to RWC2023 (when he will be 32) as a regular starter, he has a chance.
Rieko Ioane is just over halfway there, with 26 tries off 32 caps. At his current strike rate (0.81) he would also need about 30 more caps to get there and he's far from assured of that at the moment.
George Bridge has had a good start, with 9 tries in 10 tests (including 3 off the bench). However, 4 of those were against Tonga, and 2 against Japan.
23 from 23, now. Incredible.
He might just be lining up for a hat trick against the Boks.
After 3 consecutive tryless tests (Aus, SA, Fra), Jordan bags a brace to begin his redemption. Now 25 in 27 caps. If he plays against Uruguay he might get back to 100%. He's nearer 26 than 25, so now seems unlikely to break Howlett's record.
