Snap General Election called

[Stom]

Having an issue with needing to show ID to vote is such a weird thing. No other country would have a problem with that.

It's not a problem if everyone already has national ID cards*.


* Not that I'm arguing for that.

I have to say, the one thing that put me in favour of national ID cards is reading about the Estonian system where you can vote by internet. That would be a massive increase in the ability to vote and it's just not doable without a pre-existing ID card system. Mind, I wouldn't trust anyone in this country to deliver a solid government-commissioned IT project of that size anyway, given previous experience.

It's not just the UK though - lots of countries don't need ID to vote, as a sizeable chunk of people don't have photo ID and they tend to be the ones in most need of representation.

Puja

ID cards should have happened in the UK. Now, though, I don't see the point, it wouldn't be accepted in lieu of a passport for travel to Europe, so we'd still need to carry a passport. My wife has no chance to forget her ID when traveling, as it's a small card that lives in her wallet, like a driving license. And as everyone needs it and can get one easily, it's not exactly a bad thing...

[Which Tyler]

That's a huge swing, and as ever, voting is down for a byelection versus general; but it's worth noting that the leftish vote (Lab + LD + Green) still saw a frank increase in numbers compared to the the GE19 (by about 20%), despite overall votes dropping.

Of course it's a protest vote, and will almost certainly return to blue at a GE with a new leader - but it's still one hell of an indication of the dissatisfaction in the country.

[Which Tyler]

[Sandydragon]

Case is Johnson’s man through and through. Brought into keep the civil service in line and generally despised.

[Sandydragon]

That's a huge swing, and as ever, voting is down for a byelection versus general; but it's worth noting that the leftish vote (Lab + LD + Green) still saw a frank increase in numbers compared to the the GE19 (by about 20%), despite overall votes dropping.

Of course it's a protest vote, and will almost certainly return to blue at a GE with a new leader - but it's still one hell of an indication of the dissatisfaction in the country.

And there’s no way to blame ReformUK or UKIP for this one. Quite clearly this is a huge protest vote.

Not that it’s a great result either for Labour but one thinks there’s a lot of tactical voting going on here. Perhaps at hint at maybe an agreement between Labour and the Liberals in English and Welsh seats might not be such a terrible idea? The next election could be surprising close if the fixed term parliaments are revoked and Johnson continues like this.

[Son of Mathonwy]

That's a huge swing, and as ever, voting is down for a byelection versus general; but it's worth noting that the leftish vote (Lab + LD + Green) still saw a frank increase in numbers compared to the the GE19 (by about 20%), despite overall votes dropping.

Of course it's a protest vote, and will almost certainly return to blue at a GE with a new leader - but it's still one hell of an indication of the dissatisfaction in the country.

And there’s no way to blame ReformUK or UKIP for this one. Quite clearly this is a huge protest vote.

Not that it’s a great result either for Labour but one thinks there’s a lot of tactical voting going on here. Perhaps at hint at maybe an agreement between Labour and the Liberals in English and Welsh seats might not be such a terrible idea? The next election could be surprising close if the fixed term parliaments are revoked and Johnson continues like this.

I think a lot of Labour supporters were voting for their second preference. Perfect tactical voting, and great to see.

Labour should definitely make an agreement with the Libdems and Greens next time. But they won't. I just hope the public vote tactically anyway - although this did NOT happen in 2019, despite the easily accessible info on the best tactical vote.

[Which Tyler]

[Which Tyler]

[Son of Mathonwy]

Spot on.

Can you imagine a world where the Met's own anti-corruption unit investigated this?

Or where it wouldn't be a career-ending move for one of the Downing Street police to email Commissioner Dick a list of the party invitees?

[Sandydragon]

That's a huge swing, and as ever, voting is down for a byelection versus general; but it's worth noting that the leftish vote (Lab + LD + Green) still saw a frank increase in numbers compared to the the GE19 (by about 20%), despite overall votes dropping.

Of course it's a protest vote, and will almost certainly return to blue at a GE with a new leader - but it's still one hell of an indication of the dissatisfaction in the country.

And there’s no way to blame ReformUK or UKIP for this one. Quite clearly this is a huge protest vote.

Not that it’s a great result either for Labour but one thinks there’s a lot of tactical voting going on here. Perhaps at hint at maybe an agreement between Labour and the Liberals in English and Welsh seats might not be such a terrible idea? The next election could be surprising close if the fixed term parliaments are revoked and Johnson continues like this.

I think a lot of Labour supporters were voting for their second preference. Perfect tactical voting, and great to see.

Labour should definitely make an agreement with the Libdems and Greens next time. But they won't. I just hope the public vote tactically anyway - although this did NOT happen in 2019, despite the easily accessible info on the best tactical vote.

The Corbyn threat put paid to that. Plus Brexit. Hopefully a return to normal next time

[Which Tyler]

Late candidate for "worst article of the year", in defence of Maxwell/Epstein (or Andrew Windsor, at least)



Daily Heil, of course.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer continues to disappoint by approving of Blair's recent knighthood:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... knighthood

I really struggle with this. I'm not sure if it means Starmer approved of the Iraq war, or merely that causing hundreds of thousands of deaths through an illegal war isn't reason enough to diminish Blair's record. Either way I'm in a completely different place from the Labour leader on this, which worries me when I wonder which way he'd go on future decisions.

Having said that, I still have more confidence in Starmer than Johnson. Obviously.

[morepork]

Tony Muthafucking Blair. Knighted. When does chinless David "I'm outta here, you deal with it" Cameron get his? The Royal Family are such an asset to the UK, nay, the whole world.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Tony Muthafucking Blair. Knighted. When does chinless David "I'm outta here, you deal with it" Cameron get his? The Royal Family are such an asset to the UK, nay, the whole world.

They'll all get their knighthood (and not just any old knighthood either), unless they turn it down or die first. Yes, Johnson will get his too, unless long Covid takes him out.

I once thought there was an outside chance that Labour might change the system. I don't any more.

[Sandydragon]

Starmer continues to disappoint by approving of Blair's recent knighthood:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... knighthood

I really struggle with this. I'm not sure if it means Starmer approved of the Iraq war, or merely that causing hundreds of thousands of deaths through an illegal war isn't reason enough to diminish Blair's record. Either way I'm in a completely different place from the Labour leader on this, which worries me when I wonder which way he'd go on future decisions.

Having said that, I still have more confidence in Starmer than Johnson. Obviously.

I think Starmer is making the point that Blair had a lot of accomplishments as PM that we’re very positive for this country. Iraq overshadows everything but we shouldn’t ignore the positive.
Starmer isn’t stupid. He’s coming across very reasonably in an age of idiot politicians and will pick up support from the centre as a result.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Starmer continues to disappoint by approving of Blair's recent knighthood:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... knighthood

I really struggle with this. I'm not sure if it means Starmer approved of the Iraq war, or merely that causing hundreds of thousands of deaths through an illegal war isn't reason enough to diminish Blair's record. Either way I'm in a completely different place from the Labour leader on this, which worries me when I wonder which way he'd go on future decisions.

Having said that, I still have more confidence in Starmer than Johnson. Obviously.

I think Starmer is making the point that Blair had a lot of accomplishments as PM that we’re very positive for this country. Iraq overshadows everything but we shouldn’t ignore the positive.
Starmer isn’t stupid. He’s coming across very reasonably in an age of idiot politicians and will pick up support from the centre as a result.

Agreed that Iraq overshadows everything, which is why Blair doesn't deserve such a high honour.

Obviously IMO he deserves punishment, not honour. I wouldn't expect Starmer to go that far, but for a human rights lawyer to actually approve of Blair's record is disappointing, to say the least.

I'd argue he is being stupid on this. He continually fails to make any strong position, to make a positive case for Labour or himself. This would be one position he could take which might get him noticed - especially by Lib Dem voters. It would hardly be a turn-off for centrist Tory voters either.

[Sandydragon]

Starmer continues to disappoint by approving of Blair's recent knighthood:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... knighthood

I really struggle with this. I'm not sure if it means Starmer approved of the Iraq war, or merely that causing hundreds of thousands of deaths through an illegal war isn't reason enough to diminish Blair's record. Either way I'm in a completely different place from the Labour leader on this, which worries me when I wonder which way he'd go on future decisions.

Having said that, I still have more confidence in Starmer than Johnson. Obviously.

I think Starmer is making the point that Blair had a lot of accomplishments as PM that we’re very positive for this country. Iraq overshadows everything but we shouldn’t ignore the positive.
Starmer isn’t stupid. He’s coming across very reasonably in an age of idiot politicians and will pick up support from the centre as a result.

Agreed that Iraq overshadows everything, which is why Blair doesn't deserve such a high honour.

Obviously IMO he deserves punishment, not honour. I wouldn't expect Starmer to go that far, but for a human rights lawyer to actually approve of Blair's record is disappointing, to say the least.

I'd argue he is being stupid on this. He continually fails to make any strong position, to make a positive case for Labour or himself. This would be one position he could take which might get him noticed - especially by Lib Dem voters. It would hardly be a turn-off for centrist Tory voters either.

Maybe except we all know Corbyn would be making that point vey loudly and Starmer is making it clear he isn’t Corbyn.

[Son of Mathonwy]

I think Starmer is making the point that Blair had a lot of accomplishments as PM that we’re very positive for this country. Iraq overshadows everything but we shouldn’t ignore the positive.
Starmer isn’t stupid. He’s coming across very reasonably in an age of idiot politicians and will pick up support from the centre as a result.

Agreed that Iraq overshadows everything, which is why Blair doesn't deserve such a high honour.

Obviously IMO he deserves punishment, not honour. I wouldn't expect Starmer to go that far, but for a human rights lawyer to actually approve of Blair's record is disappointing, to say the least.

I'd argue he is being stupid on this. He continually fails to make any strong position, to make a positive case for Labour or himself. This would be one position he could take which might get him noticed - especially by Lib Dem voters. It would hardly be a turn-off for centrist Tory voters either.

Maybe except we all know Corbyn would be making that point vey loudly and Starmer is making it clear he isn’t Corbyn.

It would be incredibly weak to decide ones position on what Corbyn might say. Anyway it's not possible for Starmer to distinguish himself from Corbyn in every single policy position. He could easily position oneself as anti-Blair/Iraq War without becoming hard Left: look at the Lib Dems.

I'm coming around to the view that Starmer, despite his background in human rights, is actually something of a Blairite. I find this troubling as I see the Iraq war as the worst single act by a UK government in decades. It's a red line.

.................. this is me getting disillusioned.

[Zhivago]

Peace and Justice
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ed-labour/

[Sandydragon]

Johnson has apologised for attending a No 10 party, although he insists that he didn't know it was a party. Just a work gathering. In the garden. With alcohol.

[Which Tyler]

Johnson has apologised for attending a No 10 party, although he insists that he didn't know it was a party. Just a work gathering. In the garden. With alcohol.

Erm.... not quite.
He's admitted to being there (but that it doesn't count because he thought it was a work do, and was only there for half an hour or so)
He apologised that people are unhappy about it, not for what was done. "I'm sorry that you feel that way" not "I'm sorry for what I did".
Equally, the closest he got to "it shouldn't have happened" was "in retrospect, I should have sent them home when I discovered that it wasn't a works do"

[Sandydragon]

Johnson has apologised for attending a No 10 party, although he insists that he didn't know it was a party. Just a work gathering. In the garden. With alcohol.

Erm.... not quite.
He's admitted to being there (but that it doesn't count because he thought it was a work do, and was only there for half an hour or so)
He apologised that people are unhappy about it, not for what was done. "I'm sorry that you feel that way" not "I'm sorry for what I did".
Equally, the closest he got to "it shouldn't have happened" was "in retrospect, I should have sent them home when I discovered that it wasn't a works do"

Obviously not a party then

[Which Tyler]

Obviously not a party then

Yep, that's all okay then, nothing to see here; it's all water under the bridge; let's not go around investigating crimes that have already happened...

[Sandydragon]

Obviously not a party then

Yep, that's all okay then, nothing to see here; it's all water under the bridge; let's not go around investigating crimes that have already happened...

Quite right too. He may make the laws but they don't apply to him!

I suppose the big question is how many days before a big Tory MP breaks cover and goes for the top job?

[Which Tyler]

Obviously not a party then

Yep, that's all okay then, nothing to see here; it's all water under the bridge; let's not go around investigating crimes that have already happened...

Quite right too. He may make the laws but they don't apply to him!

I suppose the big question is how many days before a big Tory MP breaks cover and goes for the top job?

Do any of them want it at the moment?

Let the scandals break first, and hang them on BJ.
I guess if one of them thinks that Omicron is the end of the pandemic, then that'll influence things, trying to get into #10 to take the plaudits, even if our stats end up in the bottom 5 nations globally (you just know they'll get credit for "making the best of a bad hand" - however badly they play their hand)