Sarries Vs Tigers

[Mellsblue]

That's a red card all day. Awful technique head to head first collision. CMK is bailing Sarries out time after time with their discipline. Tigers need him to wake up as we don't have enough attacking penetration currently.

green gets away with a bad one imo.

Think Green’s is worse. I’d like to know J Willis’s thoughts on that being pen only.

[FKAS]

That's a red card all day. Awful technique head to head first collision. CMK is bailing Sarries out time after time with their discipline. Tigers need him to wake up as we don't have enough attacking penetration currently.

green gets away with a bad one imo.

Think Green’s is worse. I’d like to know J Willis’s thoughts on that being pen only.

The Sarries hooker pulled Nadolo through the ruck by his neck. Yellow for both or yellow for neither. As it stands only one was a penalty.

[Mellsblue]

green gets away with a bad one imo.

Think Green’s is worse. I’d like to know J Willis’s thoughts on that being pen only.

The Sarries hooker pulled Nadolo through the ruck by his neck. Yellow for both or yellow for neither. As it stands only one was a penalty.

You should note that the two posts I replied to were discussing the high tackle and the neck roll by Green but, cool, yellow for both, assuming it was a neck roll on Nadolo. I’d also suggest a drugs test for Sarries’ hooker.

[p/d]

We’re Mako’s 2 mins influential?

[FKAS]

Tigers paying for a lack of invention in attack. Yes CMK didn't clamp down on Sarries many infringements but you've got to take the game beyond the ref, particularly when Karl Dickson is still an option and he doesn't like rolling mauls.

Overly reliant on bullying the opposition pack which we couldn't do consistently and ball in hand we were just far to obvious and didn't give Ford much in the way of options with us increasingly looking at Scott or Nadolo to creat something. Need more disguise on our play if we're going to go toe to toe with the big boys.

[fivepointer]

Thought we'd see a bit more from Ford but even he couldnt create anything for Tigers.

Fair play to Saracens, absorbed the pressure and came back to seal the win at the end. They're a tough side to beat.

[Banquo]

Tigers paying for a lack of invention in attack. Yes CMK didn't clamp down on Sarries many infringements but you've got to take the game beyond the ref, particularly when Karl Dickson is still an option and he doesn't like rolling mauls.

Overly reliant on bullying the opposition pack which we couldn't do consistently and ball in hand we were just far to obvious and didn't give Ford much in the way of options with us increasingly looking at Scott or Nadolo to creat something. Need more disguise on our play if we're going to go toe to toe with the big boys.

Fair dinkum- and to be fair to CMK , who I don’t rate, he did dish out a huge number of pens and a yellow to Sarries…though a couple were iffy and he missed some more obvious stuff.

Yes Tigers need an edge, but Steward would help…and there were a lot of changes, so all not lost

[Tigersman]

Tigers missed Montoya and Kelly
Montoya for the tight stuff
Kelly because his passing especially the long passing creates so many chances.

[Banquo]

We’re Mako’s 2 mins influential?

They missed him for 78

[FKAS]

Tigers paying for a lack of invention in attack. Yes CMK didn't clamp down on Sarries many infringements but you've got to take the game beyond the ref, particularly when Karl Dickson is still an option and he doesn't like rolling mauls.

Overly reliant on bullying the opposition pack which we couldn't do consistently and ball in hand we were just far to obvious and didn't give Ford much in the way of options with us increasingly looking at Scott or Nadolo to creat something. Need more disguise on our play if we're going to go toe to toe with the big boys.

Fair dinkum- and to be fair to CMK , who I don’t rate, he did dish out a huge number of pens and a yellow to Sarries…though a couple were iffy and he missed some more obvious stuff.

Yes Tigers need an edge, but Steward would help…and there were a lot of changes, so all not lost

Yeah the yellow should have been red and no warnings despite a litany of infringements five metres out didn't impress but when you waste that many chances and fail to take the ref out the game you've got to look at yourselves.

Steward from fullback would have added some security but as Tigersman said Kelly was also a big miss today. He's really taken to the 12 role and both his physicality and distribution are really showing up well. Montoya and Liebenburg are huge leaders up front as well as physical carriers that might have helped us bull our way through.

6 of the starting forwards were 22 or under. Only the locks were older so there's some positives to take especially with how the young props got on against far more experienced opposition.

[Banquo]

Tigers paying for a lack of invention in attack. Yes CMK didn't clamp down on Sarries many infringements but you've got to take the game beyond the ref, particularly when Karl Dickson is still an option and he doesn't like rolling mauls.

Overly reliant on bullying the opposition pack which we couldn't do consistently and ball in hand we were just far to obvious and didn't give Ford much in the way of options with us increasingly looking at Scott or Nadolo to creat something. Need more disguise on our play if we're going to go toe to toe with the big boys.

Fair dinkum- and to be fair to CMK , who I don’t rate, he did dish out a huge number of pens and a yellow to Sarries…though a couple were iffy and he missed some more obvious stuff.

Yes Tigers need an edge, but Steward would help…and there were a lot of changes, so all not lost

Yeah the yellow should have been red and no warnings despite a litany of infringements five metres out didn't impress but when you waste that many chances and fail to take the ref out the game you've got to look at yourselves.

Steward from fullback would have added some security but as Tigersman said Kelly was also a big miss today. He's really taken to the 12 role and both his physicality and distribution are really showing up well. Montoya and Liebenburg are huge leaders up front as well as physical carriers that might have helped us bull our way through.

6 of the starting forwards were 22 or under. Only the locks were older so there's some positives to take especially with how the young props got on against far more experienced opposition.

Tbh I don’t agree yellow to red, and he penalised Sarries for the wrong things - but still penalised them mightily.

Steward would help a lot in attack at AP level.

Chessum is a good un.

[FKAS]

Yeah Chessum has really stepped up this season. Couple of good lineout steals and a strong finish for the try would have impressed Eddie. Looks like a great option long term in the row for Tigers.

[Banquo]

BTW- anyone hear on commentary before the game, that Borthwick has analysts counting the number of times either side kick the ball, and if Tigers have been kicking less than the oppos, he gets the message out to kick more--- as those sides who kick more, tend to win. Or did I mishear?

[FKAS]

BTW- anyone hear on commentary before the game, that Borthwick has analysts counting the number of times either side kick the ball, and if Tigers have been kicking less than the oppos, he gets the message out to kick more--- as those sides who kick more, tend to win. Or did I mishear?

I doubt Borthwick operates on that level of simplicity. For a guy that apparently loves analytics and spends way more hours than anybody else at the club planning and dissecting training it sounds like an oversimplification of something he's noted. Given the commentators are Dayglo and Monye that would fit.

[Banquo]

BTW- anyone hear on commentary before the game, that Borthwick has analysts counting the number of times either side kick the ball, and if Tigers have been kicking less than the oppos, he gets the message out to kick more--- as those sides who kick more, tend to win. Or did I mishear?

I doubt Borthwick operates on that level of simplicity. For a guy that apparently loves analytics and spends way more hours than anybody else at the club planning and dissecting training it sounds like an oversimplification of something he's noted. Given the commentators are Dayglo and Monye that would fit.

Think it was Danny Care tbh, but you are probably right- it sounded nuts/facile.

[Puja]

Managed to watch after playing yesterday (we won 102-7!) - Leicester were masters of our own downfall. Fair play to Saracens' defence who were excellent, but we didn't make them work very hard. Normally, it's IBWT, but I can't help thinking that starting with Montoya, Wiese, and Nadolo would've seen a different result - we spent too much time just banging our heads on the Sarries wall and having those three from the off would've allowed us to dent it and make space elsewhere. I don't subscribe to the theory that "we don't need the points" either - quite apart from the fact that our 12 point lead goes down to 7 if Saracens win their game in hand well, I don't see the advantage to providing confidence to a rival.

Also, how on earth did Ford not go off for an HIA when Davies was somehow not red carded? He was stuck full on the cheekbone by a fast-moving forehead - the whole point of the HIA protocol is that you cannot tell if someone's been concussed without doing it and that on-pitch assessments are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Puja

[32nd Man]

Managed to watch after playing yesterday (we won 102-7!) - Leicester were masters of our own downfall. Fair play to Saracens' defence who were excellent, but we didn't make them work very hard. Normally, it's IBWT, but I can't help thinking that starting with Montoya, Wiese, and Nadolo would've seen a different result - we spent too much time just banging our heads on the Sarries wall and having those three from the off would've allowed us to dent it and make space elsewhere. I don't subscribe to the theory that "we don't need the points" either - quite apart from the fact that our 12 point lead goes down to 7 if Saracens win their game in hand well, I don't see the advantage to providing confidence to a rival.

Also, how on earth did Ford not go off for an HIA when Davies was somehow not red carded? He was stuck full on the cheekbone by a fast-moving forehead - the whole point of the HIA protocol is that you cannot tell if someone's been concussed without doing it and that on-pitch assessments are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

Puja

There seems to be a culture developing and starting to gain influence that sees HIAs as an inconvenience and something to be avoided if you can.

[Mikey Brown]

Yep, like many of these rules brought in before it seems the concern around head injuries seems to be loosening off just as it was starting to have a big impact. I hope the ridiculous situation in the Ireland/Italy game isn’t viewed as a reason to rally against red cards for high shots.

Did you see the clip of Francis stumbling all over the place in the England game? He didn’t have a clue where he was, and I’m not sure anything came of it. I feel like he’s had some recent issues too.

[32nd Man]

The Francis one should see whoever the concussion medic watching was having to answer some serious questions to keep their job.

[Puja]

Yep, like many of these rules brought in before it seems the concern around head injuries seems to be loosening off just as it was starting to have a big impact. I hope the ridiculous situation in the Ireland/Italy game isn’t viewed as a reason to rally against red cards for high shots.

Did you see the clip of Francis stumbling all over the place in the England game? He didn’t have a clue where he was, and I’m not sure anything came of it. I feel like he’s had some recent issues too.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the pressure group that Popham and Thompson are involved with are suing (or doing something) over that Francis incident. As 32nd Man says, someone should be losing their job there.

Puja

[Peej]

The Davies yellow was a red all day long. The justification the commentators (Lol aside, tbf) tried to offer was ridiculous. And a lot of neck rolls went unpunished.