Quins Vs Tigers

[Scrumhead]

Green was never attempting to bend or wrap. A few milliseconds would not have made any difference.

Dombrandt potentially increased the danger level marginally but he didn’t ‘cause it’ IMO.

[FKAS]

Green was never attempting to bend or wrap. A few milliseconds would not have made any difference.

Dombrandt potentially increased the danger level marginally but he didn’t ‘cause it’ IMO.

One arm wrapped, one arm tucked. Looked like a red card to me. As Dombrandt's offence was before and apparently effected the tackle he gets penalised. Very lucky escape for Green.

There was a high shot just before the second penalty to Tigers whilst they were playing under advantage that I thought might be checked. The Tigers player wasn't very happy about him and exchanged some words with the Quins defender. Looked a bit swinging arm.

Borthwick will be furious with that third maul. Quins were rescued by that technical call and it was all lazy set up play by Tigers.

I'm expecting an early entrance for Genge as I think all three scrum penalties have been against van Wyk on the loosehead side. He's a third choice option so not massively surprising he's having a difficult day Vs Collier.

[twitchy]

Fascinating game.

[francoisfou]

[quote="twitchy"]Fascinating game

Yep, excellent evenly contested game that Tigers could have won if Ford had kicked his goals.
Monye's comments compensating for the myopic Dallaglio!!

[fivepointer]

Green was never attempting to bend or wrap. A few milliseconds would not have made any difference.

Dombrandt potentially increased the danger level marginally but he didn’t ‘cause it’ IMO.

It was a bizarre decision to penalise Dombrandt.

That aside Barnes was typically very good.

The game was a lot closer than Quins would have liked but Tigers work so hard that its quite a job to get away from them.

Yet again impressed with Murley and the Collier try was a great moment.

[Scrumhead]

Murley does everything very well. He just doesn’t have a stand-out point of difference to propel him on to a bigger stage. I’m very happy with him being a fairly unsung hero for Quins.

The officiating was a bit patchy throughout (team not just Barnes). I thought both teams benefited from some lenient interpretations at times so ultimately it evened out.

[FKAS]

Fascinating game

Yep, excellent evenly contested game that Tigers could have won if Ford had kicked his goals.
Monye's comments compensating for the myopic Dallaglio!!

At lot closer than expected. I think Borthwick will see it as a bit of a moral victory given the side we put out. Net result of Quins only getting three league points back on our advantage is good. The LBP helps keep Sarries at arms length. Tigers last three games are all very winnable and two of the three are at home so hopefully can sort out that home semi which will be all important.

Kelly missing from 12 was very noticeable, glad he signed his new deal last summer otherwise we'd be paying more to keep him. Scott struggled to support Ford who had Esterhuizen run down his channel at every opportunity, about the only thing the Big Bok did well.

[Puja]

For all those who think Dolly just gets easy tries off back of the rest of the maul's efforts, I thought today showed otherwise - so many occasions where Clare left himself vulnerable or didn't get himself into the right position, not least the big one before half-time. Put Dolly or Montoya on just for the lineout drives and we've got a comfortable bonus point victory there.

A moral win today, given the side we put out, but you can only beat what's in front of you and Quins did things very solidly. They'll be dangerous come the playoffs.

Puja

[Scrumhead]

What’s all this ‘moral win’ stuff? Borthwick chose to start van Wyk, Snyman and Jansen over Genge, Wells and Wiese. It’s not like Quins asked him to and suspensions and injuries are something every club deals with.

[Puja]

What’s all this ‘moral win’ stuff? Borthwick chose to start van Wyk, Snyman and Jansen over Genge, Wells and Wiese. It’s not like Quins asked him to and suspensions and injuries are something every club deals with.

Okay then, to rephrase - it's not a game that we as fans are hugely bothered by losing. We rested Genge, Whitcombe, Dolly, Wells, Reffell, Wiese, and Steward and got away with a decent performance and a bonus point against a very good side. Obviously a win would've been great, but I think we'll take that result.

Puja

[Danno]

What’s all this ‘moral win’ stuff? Borthwick chose to start van Wyk, Snyman and Jansen over Genge, Wells and Wiese. It’s not like Quins asked him to and suspensions and injuries are something every club deals with.

Okay then, to rephrase - it's not a game that we as fans are hugely bothered by losing. We rested Genge, Whitcombe, Dolly, Wells, Reffell, Wiese, and Steward and got away with a decent performance and a bonus point against a very good side. Obviously a win would've been great, but I think we'll take that result.

Puja

It's still a shitty way to put it

[FKAS]

What’s all this ‘moral win’ stuff? Borthwick chose to start van Wyk, Snyman and Jansen over Genge, Wells and Wiese. It’s not like Quins asked him to and suspensions and injuries are something every club deals with.

Okay then, to rephrase - it's not a game that we as fans are hugely bothered by losing. We rested Genge, Whitcombe, Dolly, Wells, Reffell, Wiese, and Steward and got away with a decent performance and a bonus point against a very good side. Obviously a win would've been great, but I think we'll take that result.

Puja

It's still a shitty way to put it

When injury takes out Montoya, Martin, MVS and Kelly four key internationals for a game Vs a team as good as Quins you've got to be happy with pushing Quins all the way, limiting the league point loss and still resting some other players.

If Martin is fit before the end of the season and Tigers play Quins again I fully expect Martin to be given a man marking job on Esterhuizen just like he's done against people like Hughes previously. Stopping those easy yards would have cut down Quins attacking options considerably.

Agree with Puja, the difference in maul ability between the two internationals and Clare was pretty wide. Not helped by Clare not being a particularly strong carrier so not backing himself to break away. Hopefully Montoya will be back after a couple of weeks off and ready to go Vs Bristol.

[Puja]

What’s all this ‘moral win’ stuff? Borthwick chose to start van Wyk, Snyman and Jansen over Genge, Wells and Wiese. It’s not like Quins asked him to and suspensions and injuries are something every club deals with.

Okay then, to rephrase - it's not a game that we as fans are hugely bothered by losing. We rested Genge, Whitcombe, Dolly, Wells, Reffell, Wiese, and Steward and got away with a decent performance and a bonus point against a very good side. Obviously a win would've been great, but I think we'll take that result.

Puja

It's still a shitty way to put it

How come? We're not saying Quins weren't good; we're saying we're fortunate enough not to *need* the regular season win and so we can be happy with a losing BP and keeping key players fit and rested for other games where we will *need* the win. I don't see how that's being shitty.

Puja

[fivepointer]

Both sides will be pretty content.
Quins won without playing close to their best. Tigers got a losing BP with a weakened side.
I'd say both sides will take some positives but know that they will have to raise their game for more decisive fixtures.

[I R Geech]

Just seen the highlights. Nadolo never grounded the ball for his try.

Other than that, belter of a game and good to see Huw Jones continue finding his form.

[Scrumhead]

Okay then, to rephrase - it's not a game that we as fans are hugely bothered by losing. We rested Genge, Whitcombe, Dolly, Wells, Reffell, Wiese, and Steward and got away with a decent performance and a bonus point against a very good side. Obviously a win would've been great, but I think we'll take that result.

Puja

It's still a shitty way to put it

How come? We're not saying Quins weren't good; we're saying we're fortunate enough not to *need* the regular season win and so we can be happy with a losing BP and keeping key players fit and rested for other games where we will *need* the win. I don't see how that's being shitty.

Puja

Fair enough. Your rephrased version was better. If anything the ‘moral win’ was ours IMO.

Green absolutely should have seen red IMO. Thankfully Marler wasn’t injured.

I’ll certainly be curious to see if the law on pushing players in to contact starts being applied more regularly or if it’s only used as mitigation to avoid sending players off.

Generally speaking, I don’t want to see red cards, but IMO, Green was always putting in a high, tucked arm shot regardless of Dombrandt’s push on Marler. Barnes’ argument was that Dombrandt accelerated Marler to such an extent that it made it impossible for Green to adjust his height, but I just don’t buy that. We’re talking about maybe a metre? 2 at most and milliseconds of difference in the time taken to cross that distance. Green was never adjusting.

[Puja]

It's still a shitty way to put it

How come? We're not saying Quins weren't good; we're saying we're fortunate enough not to *need* the regular season win and so we can be happy with a losing BP and keeping key players fit and rested for other games where we will *need* the win. I don't see how that's being shitty.

Puja

Fair enough. Your rephrased version was better. If anything the ‘moral win’ was ours IMO.

Green absolutely should have seen red IMO. Thankfully Marler wasn’t injured.

I’ll certainly be curious to see if the law on pushing players in to contact starts being applied more regularly or if it’s only used as mitigation to avoid sending players off.

Generally speaking, I don’t want to see red cards, but IMO, Green was always putting in a high, tucked arm shot regardless of Dombrandt’s push on Marler. Barnes’ argument was that Dombrandt accelerated Marler to such an extent that it made it impossible for Green to adjust his height, but I just don’t buy that. We’re talking about maybe a metre? 2 at most and milliseconds of difference in the time taken to cross that distance. Green was never adjusting.

Well, you guys got the actual win, which is a hell of a lot more valuable than a moral win is! You're right - it wasn't a great turn of phrase. Didn't mean to sound like I was trying to claim you had the moral loss!

On Green, I would've said it was a yellow. The force came almost entirely from the shove and it did drop Marler's height. While I have been unable to find a replay, I remember thinking that Green was bending at the waist a bit, so there was some mitigatuon. Very lucky to get off scott-free though.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

As a neutral, I’d say it’s a red…. yellow at the very least. Barnes does try to avoid giving a red where possible, from what little I’ve seen of him.

[Danno]

Okay then, to rephrase - it's not a game that we as fans are hugely bothered by losing. We rested Genge, Whitcombe, Dolly, Wells, Reffell, Wiese, and Steward and got away with a decent performance and a bonus point against a very good side. Obviously a win would've been great, but I think we'll take that result.

Puja

It's still a shitty way to put it

How come? We're not saying Quins weren't good; we're saying we're fortunate enough not to *need* the regular season win and so we can be happy with a losing BP and keeping key players fit and rested for other games where we will *need* the win. I don't see how that's being shitty.

Puja

Poor way of putting it on my part. Apologies

[Peej]

As a neutral, I’d say it’s a red…. yellow at the very least. Barnes does try to avoid giving a red where possible, from what little I’ve seen of him.

Unless you're playing for a French team. He gave out two in two weeks.

[Peej]

Murley does everything very well. He just doesn’t have a stand-out point of difference to propel him on to a bigger stage. I’m very happy with him being a fairly unsung hero for Quins.

The officiating was a bit patchy throughout (team not just Barnes). I thought both teams benefited from some lenient interpretations at times so ultimately it evened out.

Do you not think so? I think his power in contact is impressive, he is very Nowell-like in that regard. He makes yards where the majority of Prem wingers wouldn't.

[Mellsblue]

As a neutral, I’d say it’s a red…. yellow at the very least. Barnes does try to avoid giving a red where possible, from what little I’ve seen of him.

Unless you're playing for a French team. He gave out two in two weeks.

I did say tries to avoid rather than doesn’t at all and, if we’re being honest, who wouldn’t look to give the French some extra cards. What else would they moan about, otherwise.

[Mikey Brown]

Yeah he has a lot of the same things to like about Nowell but with a hell of a lot more pace and resilience. Still hard to see him as an England player, though I think he could do a job.