Bath vs Saints - Sat 3pm
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Bath vs Saints - Sat 3pm
Bath: De Glanville; Rokoduguni, Joseph, Clark, Muir; Cipriani, Spencer; Morozov, Dunn, Stuart, Williams, Ewels (capt), Bayliss, Reid, Faletau
Replacements: Du Toit, Cordwell, Rae, Richards, Coetzee, Simpson, Bailey, Cokanasiga
Northampton: Freeman; Sleightholme, Proctor, Hutchinson, Collins; Furbank, Mitchell; Waller, Matavesi, Hill, Coles, Ratuniyarawa, Ludlam (capt), Harrison, Augustus
Replacements: Haywood, Iyogun, Carey, Moon, Nansen, James, Grayson, Francis
Replacements: Du Toit, Cordwell, Rae, Richards, Coetzee, Simpson, Bailey, Cokanasiga
Northampton: Freeman; Sleightholme, Proctor, Hutchinson, Collins; Furbank, Mitchell; Waller, Matavesi, Hill, Coles, Ratuniyarawa, Ludlam (capt), Harrison, Augustus
Replacements: Haywood, Iyogun, Carey, Moon, Nansen, James, Grayson, Francis
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Apparently Saints haven't won at the Rec for a decade? But it's hard to see them not taking this.
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Missing Lawes and Biggar though.Peej wrote:Apparently Saints haven't won at the Rec for a decade? But it's hard to see them not taking this.
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They can look quite good with Furbank at 10 from an attacking POV. I think they’ll miss Dingwall a bit more TBH.
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He's a good stand in stand off. Grayson must be miffed every time this happens tho. They will miss Fraser in defence especially, just will hope Proctor can stay on the park! (and Sleightholme!)Scrumhead wrote:They can look quite good with Furbank at 10 from an attacking POV. I think they’ll miss Dingwall a bit more TBH.
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Wouldn't blame Grayson if he did go - can't be fun being a young player hoping to get a chance to prove yourself when the first choice is out and then being pushed to third choice fly-half by a fullback (mind, Manu Vunipola puts up with it too, so what do I know).Banquo wrote:He's a good stand in stand off. Grayson must be miffed every time this happens tho. They will miss Fraser in defence especially, just will hope Proctor can stay on the park! (and Sleightholme!)Scrumhead wrote:They can look quite good with Furbank at 10 from an attacking POV. I think they’ll miss Dingwall a bit more TBH.
I do actually quite rate Furbank at 10 though. He's looked very comfortable there every time I've seen him play and he has got the skills for it.
Big game for Northampton this. Gloucester losing last means that a win here and an Exeter loss will see them into the top 4 with a game in hand.
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Grayson is 23, Vunipola 21. Grayson is about to hit mid twenties and is third choice and not getting much game time. Five starts and three sub appearances in the Prem this season so far. All during international periods previously. Suspect he may have to move on at the end of the season.Puja wrote:Wouldn't blame Grayson if he did go - can't be fun being a young player hoping to get a chance to prove yourself when the first choice is out and then being pushed to third choice fly-half by a fullback (mind, Manu Vunipola puts up with it too, so what do I know).Banquo wrote:He's a good stand in stand off. Grayson must be miffed every time this happens tho. They will miss Fraser in defence especially, just will hope Proctor can stay on the park! (and Sleightholme!)Scrumhead wrote:They can look quite good with Furbank at 10 from an attacking POV. I think they’ll miss Dingwall a bit more TBH.
I do actually quite rate Furbank at 10 though. He's looked very comfortable there every time I've seen him play and he has got the skills for it.
Big game for Northampton this. Gloucester losing last means that a win here and an Exeter loss will see them into the top 4 with a game in hand.
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Thing is, I don't know Saints are wrong about him - I just don't know if he's good enough.FKAS wrote:Grayson is 23, Vunipola 21. Grayson is about to hit mid twenties and is third choice and not getting much game time. Five starts and three sub appearances in the Prem this season so far. All during international periods previously. Suspect he may have to move on at the end of the season.Puja wrote:Wouldn't blame Grayson if he did go - can't be fun being a young player hoping to get a chance to prove yourself when the first choice is out and then being pushed to third choice fly-half by a fullback (mind, Manu Vunipola puts up with it too, so what do I know).Banquo wrote: He's a good stand in stand off. Grayson must be miffed every time this happens tho. They will miss Fraser in defence especially, just will hope Proctor can stay on the park! (and Sleightholme!)
I do actually quite rate Furbank at 10 though. He's looked very comfortable there every time I've seen him play and he has got the skills for it.
Big game for Northampton this. Gloucester losing last means that a win here and an Exeter loss will see them into the top 4 with a game in hand.
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Despite rumour having it that that connection's cooled off, I still think a move to Newcastle would be ideal. They need him after losing Haydon-Wood and it'd be good for him to be somewhere he can be first choice.
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Had this chat before. TBH Grayson makes some real howlers in between good play.FKAS wrote:Grayson is 23, Vunipola 21. Grayson is about to hit mid twenties and is third choice and not getting much game time. Five starts and three sub appearances in the Prem this season so far. All during international periods previously. Suspect he may have to move on at the end of the season.Puja wrote:Wouldn't blame Grayson if he did go - can't be fun being a young player hoping to get a chance to prove yourself when the first choice is out and then being pushed to third choice fly-half by a fullback (mind, Manu Vunipola puts up with it too, so what do I know).Banquo wrote: He's a good stand in stand off. Grayson must be miffed every time this happens tho. They will miss Fraser in defence especially, just will hope Proctor can stay on the park! (and Sleightholme!)
I do actually quite rate Furbank at 10 though. He's looked very comfortable there every time I've seen him play and he has got the skills for it.
Big game for Northampton this. Gloucester losing last means that a win here and an Exeter loss will see them into the top 4 with a game in hand.
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Furbank is a decent 10, and frankly looks better suited to 10 at the higher levels.Puja wrote:Wouldn't blame Grayson if he did go - can't be fun being a young player hoping to get a chance to prove yourself when the first choice is out and then being pushed to third choice fly-half by a fullback (mind, Manu Vunipola puts up with it too, so what do I know).Banquo wrote:He's a good stand in stand off. Grayson must be miffed every time this happens tho. They will miss Fraser in defence especially, just will hope Proctor can stay on the park! (and Sleightholme!)Scrumhead wrote:They can look quite good with Furbank at 10 from an attacking POV. I think they’ll miss Dingwall a bit more TBH.
I do actually quite rate Furbank at 10 though. He's looked very comfortable there every time I've seen him play and he has got the skills for it.
Big game for Northampton this. Gloucester losing last means that a win here and an Exeter loss will see them into the top 4 with a game in hand.
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He does. Although I wonder if he’d be able to iron those out with more regular game time? When he was playing more, he was definitely less error prone.Banquo wrote:Had this chat before. TBH Grayson makes some real howlers in between good play.FKAS wrote:Grayson is 23, Vunipola 21. Grayson is about to hit mid twenties and is third choice and not getting much game time. Five starts and three sub appearances in the Prem this season so far. All during international periods previously. Suspect he may have to move on at the end of the season.Puja wrote:
Wouldn't blame Grayson if he did go - can't be fun being a young player hoping to get a chance to prove yourself when the first choice is out and then being pushed to third choice fly-half by a fullback (mind, Manu Vunipola puts up with it too, so what do I know).
I do actually quite rate Furbank at 10 though. He's looked very comfortable there every time I've seen him play and he has got the skills for it.
Big game for Northampton this. Gloucester losing last means that a win here and an Exeter loss will see them into the top 4 with a game in hand.
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If he did go to Newcastle and established himself as first choice I think he’d turn out to be fairly decent.
Equally, I agree with Puja’s point that Saints might simply be aiming higher than ‘fairly decent’.
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Plus it frees up the 15 shirt for Freeman and Hendy, both of whom are or will be better 15s than FurbankBanquo wrote:Furbank is a decent 10, and frankly looks better suited to 10 at the higher levels.Puja wrote:Wouldn't blame Grayson if he did go - can't be fun being a young player hoping to get a chance to prove yourself when the first choice is out and then being pushed to third choice fly-half by a fullback (mind, Manu Vunipola puts up with it too, so what do I know).Banquo wrote: He's a good stand in stand off. Grayson must be miffed every time this happens tho. They will miss Fraser in defence especially, just will hope Proctor can stay on the park! (and Sleightholme!)
I do actually quite rate Furbank at 10 though. He's looked very comfortable there every time I've seen him play and he has got the skills for it.
Big game for Northampton this. Gloucester losing last means that a win here and an Exeter loss will see them into the top 4 with a game in hand.
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Joseph has had a very good first half, some lovely kicks going in. Saints aren't at the races, which is classic Saints now that the top 4 has opened up a bit again.
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Saints turned that one around. 4 tries in last 10 minutes, i think.
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Yeah we made hard work of that. First half and the early part of the 2nd half was poor.
Iyogun once again showed why he should be starting ahead of Waller. Waller typically ineffective, and when Manny came on the scrum was dominant.
Iyogun once again showed why he should be starting ahead of Waller. Waller typically ineffective, and when Manny came on the scrum was dominant.
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Didn't see the game but Bath notably faded against Edinburgh last week. Think they really need to look at their conditioning.
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More to do with stupid unnecessary substitutions, but Farleigh House has made them softswitchskier wrote:Didn't see the game but Bath notably faded against Edinburgh last week. Think they really need to look at their conditioning.
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How did Freeman go?Adam_P wrote:Yeah we made hard work of that. First half and the early part of the 2nd half was poor.
Iyogun once again showed why he should be starting ahead of Waller. Waller typically ineffective, and when Manny came on the scrum was dominant.
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Freeman had a decent game, ran a lovely line to score a try. My pick of the young guns yesterday was Coles - he had a great game at lock (which is good because Api was very much off the boil and gave away a few stupid pens)
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Yep Coles has really come on this year, also looked very handy at 6.Adam_P wrote:Freeman had a decent game, ran a lovely line to score a try. My pick of the young guns yesterday was Coles - he had a great game at lock (which is good because Api was very much off the boil and gave away a few stupid pens)
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15 tackles none missed for Coles
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That’s quite a shift at the coleface.
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Hughes clearly taught Bath the Bristol final 15min plan!fivepointer wrote:Saints turned that one around. 4 tries in last 10 minutes, i think.
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or shaftMellsblue wrote:That’s quite a shift at the coleface.
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That’s brutal.Banquo wrote:or shaftMellsblue wrote:That’s quite a shift at the coleface.