Statistic of the Day

[Lizard]

I was going to kick off with the number of Boards that Hammy has built for us (including Arks) but I'm damned if I can remember.

Chocolate fish and a pocket-tickle to anyone that can post a full set of domain names. Bonus donuts if you can include the active dates for each.

[UKHamlet]

1) BBC Refusniks
2) Rugbyrebels.com - 3 different servers
3) Nowrugby.com - 2 servers
4) Rugbyrebels.club
5) Rugbyrebels.co
6) 3 Arks.

[Tre]

Funnily I was browsing through the 'archive' on the rugbyrebels.club site which shows the old posts from one of the nowrugby sites (I'm working my notice alright!)

Some absolute Gold in there, people spending whole afternoons arguing about the most random things.

[UKHamlet]

Funnily I was browsing through the 'archive' on the rugbyrebels.club site which shows the old posts from one of the nowrugby sites (I'm working my notice alright!)

Some absolute Gold in there, people spending whole afternoons arguing about the most random things.

Isn't that what it's for?

Actually, I was thinking I may import the old old old forum into another forum on this site, just for reference. I can't import the VB5 one, but I may be able to import the old VB3 one.

[Tre]

Funnily I was browsing through the 'archive' on the rugbyrebels.club site which shows the old posts from one of the nowrugby sites (I'm working my notice alright!)

Some absolute Gold in there, people spending whole afternoons arguing about the most random things.

Isn't that what it's for?

Actually, I was thinking I may import the old old old forum into another forum on this site, just for reference. I can't import the VB5 one, but I may be able to import the old VB3 one.

Definitely what it is for. It's brilliant to read and I LOL'd a few times

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[Spy]

Funnily I was browsing through the 'archive' on the rugbyrebels.club site which shows the old posts from one of the nowrugby sites (I'm working my notice alright!)

Some absolute Gold in there, people spending whole afternoons arguing about the most random things.

Isn't that what it's for?

Actually, I was thinking I may import the old old old forum into another forum on this site, just for reference. I can't import the VB5 one, but I may be able to import the old VB3 one.

Definitely what it is for. It's brilliant to read and I LOL'd a few times

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Fark.

[Spy]

Fark.

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[Spy]

Sorry to sabotage your latest attempt at building a lasting legacy, Lizard.

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[Tre]

This is the record amount of posts in 1 day on the statistics thread on any of the boards!

[Lizard]

Just wait. I'm rereading Men in Black, which contains match reports of every test NZ played up to the late '80s (the later ones covered in the supplementary volume) with some fascinating bits of trivia.


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[Lizard]

I’ve just booked leave for 14 June so I can go and watch Wales’ tour match against the Chiefs.

As great as it is to have tour matches back on the itinerary, it’s a shame that Super Franchises are playing instead of Provinces, so Waikato’s spotless record against Wales will not be continued. The full list of results between the two for each Welsh tour of NZ is as follows:

1969 tour: Did not play Waikato
1988 tour: Waikato 28 – Wales 19
2003 tour: No tour games
2010 tour: No tour games

So that's 100% for Waikato.

Welshmen have played against Waikato for the Lions* as well.

Until 1909, Waikato was part of the Auckland Union. I’m not sure if any Waikato players were regularly selected but the following Lions teams played Auckland during this era:
1888: (4 matches) Auckland 3 - Lions 6; Auckland 4 - Lions 0; Auckland 0 - Lions 3; Auckland 1 - Lions 1
1904: Auckland 13 - Lions 0
1908: Auckland 11 - Lions 0

From 1909 to 1920, Waikato was part of the South Auckland Rugby Union (now divided amongst several Provinces, and not to be confused with the South Auckland Union affiliated to the NZRU in 1955, later known as South Auckland Counties, then Counties and now Counties-Manukau). The Lions did not tour NZ during this era.

In 1921 Waikato was constituted as full NZRU member union in its own right. Hamilton hosted the following Lions touring parties:
1930: Waikato/King Country/Thames Valley** 16 - Lions 40
1950: Waikato/King Country/Thames Valley 0 - Lions 30
1959: Waikato 0 – Lions 14
1966: Waikato 9 – Lions 20
1971: Waikato 14 – Lions 35
1977: Waikato 13 – Lions 18
1983: Waikato 13 – Lions 40
1993: Waikato 38 – Lions 10
2005: DNP***

This year's match will be at the newly renamed “FMG Stadium Waikato”, formerly Waikato Stadium, formerly Rugby Park in Hamilton. Wales have a mixed record at this ground:
1969: Waikato 28 – Wales 19
2003: All Blacks 55 – Wales 3
2010: All Blacks 29 – Wales 10
2011 (RWC): Fiji 0 – Wales 66
2011 (RWC): Samoa 10 – Wales 17

The Lions have played 1 match at the stadium not referred to above:
2005: NZ Maori 19 – Lions 13

* I’m assuming Welshmen took the field for the Lions on each occasion mentioned
**Something of a throwback to the old South Auckland Union in name, Waikato actually provided 14 of the 15 men to take the field.
***Waikato was not on the itinerary, presumably because in successive matches against the Lions they always scored the same as or more than the previous match, so the Lions were staring down a 40 point shellacking.

[rowan]

Here's a mind-blowing statistic for you: Julian Savea is bigger than Colin Meads

[Lizard]

Here's a mind-blowing statistic for you: Julian Savea is bigger than Colin Meads

Of course Lomu was as well, and Sonny Bill is listed as heavier and only 1 cm shorter.

[Lizard]

All Blacks try-scoring record

This record does not change hands often but could do so this year.

First of all - the progression:
1903-1904: O. Asher, R. McGregor and G. Tyler shared the record with 1 try each in New Zealand's first test

1904-1908: D. McGregor took the record in 1904, extended it from 2 to 6 by 1906 and held it for 2 more years

1908-1973: The great F. Mitchinson reached 7 tries in 1908, aided by a hat-trick in his first test. Another hat-trick helped him to 10 (in only 9 tests) by 1910. He didn't add to that in his last two tests in 1913, but held the record for an amazing 63 years.

1973-1983: Ian Kirkpatrick, the renowned flanker, scored his 11th try in 1973. He took the record up to 16 by 1977.

1983-1988: Stu Wilson took the record in 1983 and moved it on to 19 in the same test by scoring a hat trick against the Lions in his last year in Black.

1988-1999: John Kirwan scored his 20th try in 1988 and advanced the record further than any previous holder by add another 15 to go to 35 by 1994. JK was aided by being able to play more tests than any of the previous record holders. Stu Wilson, for example, played 34 tests in 7 years, JK played 63 over 11 years.

1999-2002: Jeff Wilson passed JK's mark at RWC1999, climbing to 44 tries by the end of his glittering career in 2001.

2002-2007: Close on Wilson's heels was his All Blacks team mate, Christian Cullen, who over took Goldie in 2002, adding just 2 tries to the record before his premature axing from the team.

2007-????: Doug Howlett surpassed Jeff in 2007, also his last year in black, adding a further 3 to move the record to 49, a mark which still stands 8 years later, making his the longest reign since John Kirwan.


Who next?
Julian Savea has been tearing it up, scoring 38 tries in only 41 tests (39 starts) or 0.93 tries per test. No other All Black has scored as many tries as quickly. Savea, Wilson, Cullen and Howlett are joined by Rokocoko (46) in the 38+ club. Savea reached 38 in his 39th test, Jeff Wilson in his 52nd, Howlett in his 48th, Cullen in his 47th, and Rokocoko just behind the Bus in hitting that mark in his 42nd test

If Savea remains fit and keeps scoring at this rate, he will need to play in 13 of the All Blacks' 14 tests scheduled for this year to take the record.

The next highest current player is Kieran Read on 20. If Reado maintains his current scoring rate (and Savea disappears) he could take the record from Howlett by his 209th test match, in about 2028.

[rowan]

Sonny Bill is listed as heavier and only 1 cm shorter.

No biggy really. Inga the Winger back in the 1990s was heavier than both of them. & he was only 1.8m tall.

[Lizard]

Sonny Bill is listed as heavier and only 1 cm shorter.

No biggy really. Inga the Winger back in the 1990s was heavier than both of them. & he was only 1.8m tall.

I'll just leave this here...http://www.rugbyonslaught.com/2015/02/r ... -2015.html

[Guwuffle]

Prompted by a Savea discussion on the EMB.

He's scored 38 of the total 164 team tries in his games for the All Blacks - so contributing 23.2% of the total tries.

Made me wonder who might have a better contribution rate - I've checked the first one that occurred to me as obvious in Shane Williams who betters this at 58 of 240 total (24.2%).

Any advances on that?

[Lizard]

Prompted by a Savea discussion on the EMB.

He's scored 38 of the total 164 team tries in his games for the All Blacks - so contributing 23.2% of the total tries.

Made me wonder who might have a better contribution rate - I've checked the first one that occurred to me as obvious in Shane Williams who betters this at 58 of 240 total (24.2%).

Any advances on that?

Ohata's Japan scored 260 tries, of which he contributed 69 i.e. 26.5%. The next highest amongst his team mates was only 16 by T Kuirhara, although he only took 19 tests to rack those up.

Ashley Billington played 7 tests for Hong Kong in which he scored 14 of HK's 44 tries or 31.8%. (10 of Billington's tries came in one match - a RWC qualifying 150+ point mismatch v Singapore.)

[Which Tyler]

Surely Caucau's got to be worth looking at for this stat?
9 tries from 7 internationals + another 1 try from 1 international for the PIs in general.

Such a shame he was an idiot and didn't know about residency qualification; and then was an idiot and discovered pot and crepes.

Factoring in club rugby; where I believe he's 103 tries in 154 matches.

He's definitely captain for the "wasted talent XV"

[Lizard]

Surely Caucau's got to be worth looking at for this stat?
9 tries from 7 internationals + another 1 try from 1 international for the PIs in general.

Such a shame he was an idiot and didn't know about residency qualification; and then was an idiot and discovered pot and crepes.

Factoring in club rugby; where I believe he's 103 tries in 154 matches.

He's definitely captain for the "wasted talent XV"

Rupeni is a tricky one. On the face of it, he scored 10 tries in 8 tests, in which his team (7xFiji, 1xPIs) scored 24, giving him a massive 41.7% of the total. By team, he got 9 out of 20 for Fiji (a remarkable 45%) and 1 of 4 for the Islanders (25%). However he played so few tests that his figures are dramatically skewed by the 4 he scored (out of 7 by Fiji) in one match against Chile. If you discount that match, he goes to a more human (thought still impressive) 6 of 17, 35.3%.

Rupeni also played uncapped for the "Classic All Blacks" against Fiji in which Fiji awarded caps despite both teams fielding 9 subs. He didn't score in that game and only the late Jerry Collins dotted down for the CAB's so you could argue that Rup's real number is 40.0% (10 of 25).

If you include players with few caps then Uriel O'Farrell (an Argentinean, to be sure) is worthy of mention: 14 tries of his team's 37 (37.8%) in 3 games (v Brazil, Chile and Uruguay).

[Parsifal]

As mentioned on the North American board, there's surely no question about the result of the weekend. For Brazil, ranked 42nd in the world, to beat the United States, ranked 16th, in the Americas Rugby Championship is almost as historic as Japan’s victory over the Springboks last September. For the record John Mitchell’s side were beaten 24-23 in São Paulo thanks to a last-minute penalty from Moises Duque, which triggered wild local celebrations. Given the Brazilians led 18-3 at one stage it was no fluke; maybe another significant South American force is slowly emerging.

[rowan]

For Brazil, ranked 42nd in the world, to beat the United States, ranked 16th, in the Americas Rugby Championship is almost as historic as Japan’s victory over the Springboks last September.

Precisely the comparison I made myself. It was a weak Eagles side, of course, but nonetheless an official test match so excuses don't apply. It's also almost certainly cost the US the inaugural Americas Rugby Cup title - which is a shame.

Anyway, kudos to Brazil. Hopefully this'll be the nudge in the direction of an expanded 24-team World Cup in the 2020s, and os Tupis might realistically be among the newcomers. Bring on Samba Rugby!

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Liz, any chance you know what the biggest upset is defined by ranking point (rather than ranking place) disparity?

[Lizard]

Liz, any chance you know what the biggest upset is defined by ranking point (rather than ranking place) disparity?

As far as I can tell, this could well be it but I'm far from sure certain.

It's an interesting question but I can't even begin to figure out how to fully answer it, based on rankings points OR places. World Rugby provides ranking information from 13 October 2003 onward, but I don't know of any results database that includes rankings info. It is possible to check various specific matches easily enough. From the upsets off top of my head, these are the only wins I could find by a team with at least 10 fewer rankings points than the loser (ranking position in brackets):

27.02.2016: Brazil, 48.41 (42) bt. USA, 68.86 (16) = 20.45 (26)
15.06.2013: Japan, 68.91 (15) bt. Wales, 83.36 (5) = 14.45 (10)
17.07.2011: Samoa, 73.89 (10) bt. Aussie, 87.45 (2) = 13.56 (8)
19.09.2015: Japan, 72.06 (15) bt. SA, 85.15 (3) = 13.09 (12)
01.12.2012: England, 81.07 (5) bt. NZ, 92.91 (1) = 11.84 (4)
01.10.2011: Tonga, 72.63 (13) bt. France, 83.72 (5) = 11.09 (8)
12.03.2011: Italy, 72.16 (12) bt. France, 82.87 (5) = 10.71 (7)
07.03.2008: Scotland, 74.20 (10) bt. England, 84.96 (4) = 10.76 (6)

Honorable mention to Aussie v NZ last year, with 9.1 (4),

Wales' famous losses to Samoa in 2012 and Fiji 2007 were in fact barely upsets with differences of 3.46 (4) and 3.82 (3) respectively.

Feel free to suggest others for me to check. There might some more 6N ones when Wales was coming out of a slump. I am sure there could also be some massive upsets in the lower echelons of the ENC or Africa Cup, although the hierarchy of those would limit the ranking position differences at least.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Liz, any chance you know what the biggest upset is defined by ranking point (rather than ranking place) disparity?

As far as I can tell, this could well be it but I'm far from sure certain.

It's an interesting question but I can't even begin to figure out how to fully answer it, based on rankings points OR places. World Rugby provides ranking information from 13 October 2003 onward, but I don't know of any results database that includes rankings info. It is possible to check various specific matches easily enough. From the upsets off top of my head, these are the only wins I could find by a team with at least 10 fewer rankings points than the loser (ranking position in brackets):

27.02.2016: Brazil, 48.41 (42) bt. USA, 68.86 (16) = 20.45 (26)
15.06.2013: Japan, 68.91 (15) bt. Wales, 83.36 (5) = 14.45 (10)
17.07.2011: Samoa, 73.89 (10) bt. Aussie, 87.45 (2) = 13.56 (8)
19.09.2015: Japan, 72.06 (15) bt. SA, 85.15 (3) = 13.09 (12)
01.12.2012: England, 81.07 (5) bt. NZ, 92.91 (1) = 11.84 (4)
01.10.2011: Tonga, 72.63 (13) bt. France, 83.72 (5) = 11.09 (8)
12.03.2011: Italy, 72.16 (12) bt. France, 82.87 (5) = 10.71 (7)
07.03.2008: Scotland, 74.20 (10) bt. England, 84.96 (4) = 10.76 (6)

Honorable mention to Aussie v NZ last year, with 9.1 (4),

Wales' famous losses to Samoa in 2012 and Fiji 2007 were in fact barely upsets with differences of 3.46 (4) and 3.82 (3) respectively.

Feel free to suggest others for me to check. There might some more 6N ones when Wales was coming out of a slump. I am sure there could also be some massive upsets in the lower echelons of the ENC or Africa Cup, although the hierarchy of those would limit the ranking position differences at least.

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