#BLM

[cashead]

You are focusing on a law abiding citizen. This man did nothing illegal. Boneheaded or not, he was within his rights as an American citizen.

No. I am focusing on a culture that is completely out of synch with logic in the face of a media stirred climate of fear and the increasingly obvious realisation of some hard core institutionalised racism. That is the discussion that needs to be had, not the same old redundant gun rights shyte. I'll be a citizen soon enough, and I sure as shit don't want to get caught in the negligent crossfire of that tired record. I'd rather die peacefully in my sleep than shot in the back of the head by a mentally ill ideologue in a cinema complex thank you very much. This country has produced some civil rights titans and that rich, essential heritage should not be shouted down by the vested interests of individuals who feel that not being able to sling an assault rifle over the shoulder in a public place is more important than the clear and obvious fact that some people are forced to live in a compound as opposed to a country. "One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”


So fucking sick of this shit.

Pretty much. When you find yourself arguing for the right of someone to run around waving a fucking assault rifle, your country has fucked up. Bad.

It's not a case of "oh it's his right." Fucking fuck the fuck right off with that fucking shit.

[Coco]

Porky, why in the hell would you want to get your citizenship here when you seem to complain about the USA more than you praise it? What draws you to jump through all the legal stuff and/or paperwork to become a citizen in a country where you apparently dont feel safe and laugh at our culture. Not being smart, I am genuinely curious. Do you really like living here that much?

[morepork]

Porky, why in the hell would you want to get your citizenship here when you seem to complain about the USA more than you praise it? What draws you to jump through all the legal stuff and/or paperwork to become a citizen in a country where you apparently dont feel safe and laugh at our culture. Not being smart, I am genuinely curious. Do you really like living here that much?

I praised your founding document. I didn't laugh at your culture, I lamented the fact that your culture is overshadowed by a rifle on the shoulder. Let's talk civil rights because, as I said, the US has some fucking titans in this area of human nature. I really like living here....I have made a life here so I have an investment here.I don't complain about the USA, I comment on what I see around me living here, and what I see is yet another 2nd amendment turd in the face of avoidable violence.

Peace.

[morepork]

You are focusing on a law abiding citizen. This man did nothing illegal. Boneheaded or not, he was within his rights as an American citizen.

No. I am focusing on a culture that is completely out of synch with logic in the face of a media stirred climate of fear and the increasingly obvious realisation of some hard core institutionalised racism. That is the discussion that needs to be had, not the same old redundant gun rights shyte. I'll be a citizen soon enough, and I sure as shit don't want to get caught in the negligent crossfire of that tired record. I'd rather die peacefully in my sleep than shot in the back of the head by a mentally ill ideologue in a cinema complex thank you very much. This country has produced some civil rights titans and that rich, essential heritage should not be shouted down by the vested interests of individuals who feel that not being able to sling an assault rifle over the shoulder in a public place is more important than the clear and obvious fact that some people are forced to live in a compound as opposed to a country. "One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”


So fucking sick of this shit.

Pretty much. When you find yourself arguing for the right of someone to run around waving a fucking assault rifle, your country has fucked up. Bad.

It's not a case of "oh it's his right." Fucking fuck the fuck right off with that fucking shit.

Kia ora boss.I'm with them, I'm involved, I'm invested, but shit the bed, how much more "data" do you need?

[morepork]

Fwcking hell.

This is going to go on for ages.

It has been going on for ages, we just get to look at it on a screen now.

[morepork]

Porky, why in the hell would you want to get your citizenship here when you seem to complain about the USA more than you praise it? What draws you to jump through all the legal stuff and/or paperwork to become a citizen in a country where you apparently dont feel safe and laugh at our culture. Not being smart, I am genuinely curious. Do you really like living here that much?

I lurves you Coco, but fuck, bitch pleeeze.

[cashead]

Porky, why in the hell would you want to get your citizenship here when you seem to complain about the USA more than you praise it? What draws you to jump through all the legal stuff and/or paperwork to become a citizen in a country where you apparently dont feel safe and laugh at our culture. Not being smart, I am genuinely curious. Do you really like living here that much?

Ah yes, the old "love it or leave it" argument.

[Adder]

Porky, why in the hell would you want to get your citizenship here when you seem to complain about the USA more than you praise it? What draws you to jump through all the legal stuff and/or paperwork to become a citizen in a country where you apparently dont feel safe and laugh at our culture. Not being smart, I am genuinely curious. Do you really like living here that much?

Ah yes, the old "love it or leave it" argument.

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[Eugene Wrayburn]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database

In 2015, 1,146 people were killed by the police in the USA
In 2015, 475 people were killed in "mass shootings" in the USA
In 2015, 13,286 people died by "gun violence" in the USA (excl suicide)

I think I've seen higher figures for the numbers shot by police with about 500 officers killed in return, but i'm not at all sure.

I can entirely see where Lizard is coming from. In a country where apparently black men can be summarily executed by police officers for DWB with impunity it is not at all difficult to understand a black man deciding to give a bit back and it's pretty hard to condemn. I guess where I depart from Liz is that I have sympathy for the actually loss of life, even if I have difficulty condemning the action that caused it.

I can't. There is no justice in murder, and the certainly isn't any fairness.

So you reckon Nelson Mamdela was a terrorist then? Because if you make no allowance for the circumstances of the state then you've got to say anyone who commits to an armed struggle anywhere must be condemned.

Joe Walsh, a former Illinois congressman has said " 3 Dallas cops killed, 7 wounded. This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out Black Lives Matters punks. Real America is coming for you."

He deleted the tweet like the chicken shit he is and clearly was too much of a coward to say what he really meant so he used coded wording. Real America clearly implies White America.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

But he meant the native Americans, surely. That's presumably Real America. I mean I don't know this bloke but that's the only thing he could possibly mean if he isn't just some racist cunt desperate to get back to the good old days of lynching.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Systemic issues abound.

Rozzers who's response to any threat is in no way proportionate to the threat, but that's ingrained in them. There is no shoot to wound like many, many, many other police forces. It's just straight jacked up shoot and shoot loads!

Add in a complete underclass system and the natural retained institutional racism that continues today albeit not quite as visible as it once was. You can almost feel Trump itching to get right into this one and white good up the filth.

Add in the whole gun hard ons these fucktards have.

At least we've got access to plenty of coverage (non media especially) cause this shit is going to get messy!!! Should be fun to watch mind as America implodes and not before time. But never mind here's a Kardashian to distract you.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

I think I've seen higher figures for the numbers shot by police with about 500 officers killed in return, but i'm not at all sure.

I can entirely see where Lizard is coming from. In a country where apparently black men can be summarily executed by police officers for DWB with impunity it is not at all difficult to understand a black man deciding to give a bit back and it's pretty hard to condemn. I guess where I depart from Liz is that I have sympathy for the actually loss of life, even if I have difficulty condemning the action that caused it.

I can't. There is no justice in murder, and the certainly isn't any fairness.

So you reckon Nelson Mamdela was a terrorist then? Because if you make no allowance for the circumstances of the state then you've got to say anyone who commits to an armed struggle anywhere must be condemned.

Joe Walsh, a former Illinois congressman has said " 3 Dallas cops killed, 7 wounded. This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out Black Lives Matters punks. Real America is coming for you."

He deleted the tweet like the chicken shit he is and clearly was too much of a coward to say what he really meant so he used coded wording. Real America clearly implies White America.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html

But he meant the native Americans, surely. That's presumably Real America. I mean I don't know this bloke but that's the only thing he could possibly mean if he isn't just some racist cunt desperate to get back to the good old days of lynching.

Terrorism is a method, so by definition, yes. I'd also argue that by definition, racists within US police departments are terrorists.

Stating that I don't think there is any justice or fairness in murder isn't an endorsement of oppression, nor does it bind me to condemning all armed struggle everywhere. The outcome of a violent struggle may well be just and fair, but the method is not.

[Which Tyler]

We only tend to see videos of black males. How are white males killed by the polis? Is it the same as with black males? Are white males all posing genuine threats?

Sorry, back to my original links in page 1 (the next bit only shows up on the full site, not the mobile version)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i ... s-database
2015 saw the following numbers killed by police in the USA:
581 White
306 Black
195 Hispanic / Latino
24 Asian / PI
13 Native American
27 Unknown / Other

In terms of dead (at police hands) per million of that population, we get:
7.27 Black
3.51 Hispanic/Latino
3.40 Native American
2.93 White
1.34 Asian / PI

Out of interest, and looking in a little more detail.
Of the 1146 people killed by police in 2015; 1019 of them were shot.
Of that 1146; 229 of them were unarmed.
Of that 229: 111 of those died by gunshot; 46 by Taser, 42 died in custody, 29 struck by vehicle, 1 unarmed combat.
Of that 229, the racial breakdown is: 103 = White, 70 = black, 36 = Hispanic, 5 PI; 4 NA.

In 2015, 56 cops died as a result of violent assault (deliberate gunfire[39], vehicular assault[8], bomb[6], unarmed[3]). https://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2015

[Zhivago]

1) Loss of life is lamentable.
2) This is only going to get worse, it's a sort of civil war, a war between two parts of society. And it's a vicious cycle - the more black people are killed, the more they will retaliate. Innocent people will suffer as well as those who perhaps had it coming, and that goes for both sides.
3) The racism in America is extreme - from this, to their racist wars, to their racist ideology (e.g. exceptionalism).

How to fix this?
1) In the short term, it's not realistic to truly fix this. You can paper over the cracks in society, and try to reduce these events, but that does not address the underlying racism.
2) In the long term, it requires a complete change of culture. This is a mammoth task, and requires nothing short of a revolution.

[Rich]

I'm trying like real hard to care that some Texan cops got shot. But my brain keeps saying, "yep, that seems fair."

While I don't agree with this, it's hard not to see how many people in black communities would.

[Rich]

Here's a stark difference to how US and UK police forces act when presented with a violent situation:

I wouldn't want British police to be trigger happy like they are in the USA

This is how US police deal with a knife wielding man :


San Francisco police surround and gun down a black man in this video | Daily Mail Online


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... treet.html



This is how British police deal with a machete wielding man :

[Rich]

In 2015 US police killed nearly 1,100 people


http://killedbypolice.net/



In the first 24 days on 2015, US police killed 59 people - whereas British police killed 54 people, in the last 24 years


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -countries

[Rich]

And a few more:

2015:
US police have killed approx 1100 people


2014:
US police killed 1100 people
Canadian police killed 14 people
British police killed 1 person (same as in 2013 Btw)
German police killed 0 people (same as in 2013)
Icelandic police killed 0 people (infact they've only every killed 1 person ... EVER)
Chinese police killed 12 people (with a population 4.5 times larger than the USA)


Let that sink in. Law enforcement in the US killed 92 times more people than a country with nearly 1.4 billion people


"...from 2010 through 2014, there were 4 fatal police shootings in England, which has a population of about 52 million. By contrast, Albuquerque, N.M., with a population 1 percent the size of England’s, had 26 fatal police shootings in that same time period..."



http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police ... d-nations/

[Len]

Here's a stark difference to how US and UK police forces act when presented with a violent situation:

I wouldn't want British police to be trigger happy like they are in the USA

This is how US police deal with a knife wielding man :


San Francisco police surround and gun down a black man in this video | Daily Mail Online


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... treet.html



This is how British police deal with a machete wielding man :

Lol @ the cop attacking the bloke with a wheelie bin.

[Rich]

Lol @ the cop attacking the bloke with a wheelie bin.

Better than pulling out a gun and killing him.

[Coco]

Porky, why in the hell would you want to get your citizenship here when you seem to complain about the USA more than you praise it? What draws you to jump through all the legal stuff and/or paperwork to become a citizen in a country where you apparently dont feel safe and laugh at our culture. Not being smart, I am genuinely curious. Do you really like living here that much?

I lurves you Coco, but fuck, bitch pleeeze.

I know you do, and I lurves you, too... Contrary to what you might think, I truly *get* where you and everyone else is coming from.. I understand it and mostly agree. Mostly.

[Zhivago]

Porky, why in the hell would you want to get your citizenship here when you seem to complain about the USA more than you praise it? What draws you to jump through all the legal stuff and/or paperwork to become a citizen in a country where you apparently dont feel safe and laugh at our culture. Not being smart, I am genuinely curious. Do you really like living here that much?

I lurves you Coco, but fuck, bitch pleeeze.

I know you do, and I lurves you, too... Contrary to what you might think, I truly *get* where you and everyone else is coming from.. I understand it and mostly agree. Mostly.

You agree as long as no one touches your Glock, right?

[WaspInWales]

Things are possibly kicking off again in Dallas....

[Lizard]

Contrary to popular belief, the revolution will, in fact, be televised.

"There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
Brothers on the instant replay"

Wrong, Gil Scott-Heron, sadly wrong.

[Coco]

I lurves you Coco, but fuck, bitch pleeeze.

I know you do, and I lurves you, too... Contrary to what you might think, I truly *get* where you and everyone else is coming from.. I understand it and mostly agree. Mostly.

You agree as long as no one touches your Glock, right?

Ask me again after I ride my horse into town to pick up provisions at the General Store... I may just pick one up, cos I can.

No Glock here, smarty.

[morepork]

Contrary to popular belief, the revolution will, in fact, be televised.

"There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
Brothers on the instant replay"

Wrong, Gil Scott-Heron, sadly wrong.

Pretty clear why the music is so important now yeah?