FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:22 pm
I don't think he had much choice. The whole Sarries side were offside. No attempt to retreat 10. Weise runs sideways to try and go round them, if anything he's to honest. Given how many penalties Sarries have conceded they should have had a warning before now.
he did, wiese had run 5 m +to itoje. There was no warning so thats not a factor.
There should have been a warning.
Doesn't matter you have to retreat 10m or behind your try line from a penalty. Itoje never makes the effort and neither does the rest of the Sarries pack. Itoje and Farrell make no complaint, they knew if was a stonewall yellow.
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:22 pm
I don't think he had much choice. The whole Sarries side were offside. No attempt to retreat 10. Weise runs sideways to try and go round them, if anything he's to honest. Given how many penalties Sarries have conceded they should have had a warning before now.
he did, wiese had run 5 m +to itoje. There was no warning so thats not a factor.
There should have been a warning.
Doesn't matter you have to retreat 10m or behind your try line from a penalty. Itoje never makes the effort and neither does the rest of the Sarries pack. Itoje and Farrell make no complaint, they knew if was a stonewall yellow.
There maybe should have been a warning, but there wasn't so not a factor.
I don't agree it was a yellow but that's irrelevent, as the ref gave it. There is discretion in the laws for a quickly taken penalty.
Tigers good for their win. Pearce saw it your way eventually .
I dunno about Pearce seeing it my way or not. I suspect Sarries fans will be up in arms over some as well. It was a very odd performance from a normally excellent ref.
Importantly it was an improved performance from Tigers. The attack is evolving though it's not clicking nicely just yet. To many errors.
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:02 pm
I dunno about Pearce seeing it my way or not. I suspect Sarries fans will be up in arms over some as well. It was a very odd performance from a normally excellent ref.
Importantly it was an improved performance from Tigers. The attack is evolving though it's not clicking nicely just yet. To many errors.
Yeah the Tigers defence, particularly from the forwards was very good. Really hammered the Sarries pack. I know Sarries were missing their two 8s but I wasn't expecting us to nullify them in quite that way.
Loving the Chessum and Martin combination. They really do get through a mountain of work and they're both big units that can get about. At 23 and 22 it could be a partnership that lasts a decade or so for club and maybe country. The Itoje Vs Chessum battle at the breakdown was a good subplot.
Agreed Pearce was largely abandoned by the TMO and his assistants.
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:20 pm
Thought Earl was poor, by the by.
Yeah I was a bit surprised they chose to run him into heavy traffic quite so much. Just wasn't ever likely to work that well given the size of the Tigers pack. Might have made more sense for him to switch with Gonzalez in attack and run the bigger man on those hard lines.
Farrell never really got the attack ticking much ball in hand and generally looked more dangerous with the kick pass which didn't help Earl's cause.
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:20 pm
Thought Earl was poor, by the by.
Yeah I was a bit surprised they chose to run him into heavy traffic quite so much. Just wasn't ever likely to work that well given the size of the Tigers pack. Might have made more sense for him to switch with Gonzalez in attack and run the bigger man on those hard lines.
Farrell never really got the attack ticking much ball in hand and generally looked more dangerous with the kick pass which didn't help Earl's cause.
faz couldnt cope with playing close to the tackle line and the pack were done over
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:22 pm
I don't think he had much choice. The whole Sarries side were offside. No attempt to retreat 10. Weise runs sideways to try and go round them, if anything he's to honest. Given how many penalties Sarries have conceded they should have had a warning before now.
he did, wiese had run 5 m +to itoje. There was no warning so thats not a factor.
This baffled me when Healey made that point in commentary - it's not relevant how far Wiese runs, is it? Itoje has to be back 10m from the mark of the penalty (so behind his own line). Until he retreats back there, he's entirely out of the game, so the fact that he's not retreated and then tackled someone heading for the line is a deliberate and cynical offence. Pearce was very average, but that was an excellent decision to go immediately to a card.
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:22 pm
I don't think he had much choice. The whole Sarries side were offside. No attempt to retreat 10. Weise runs sideways to try and go round them, if anything he's to honest. Given how many penalties Sarries have conceded they should have had a warning before now.
he did, wiese had run 5 m +to itoje. There was no warning so thats not a factor.
This baffled me when Healey made that point in commentary - it's not relevant how far Wiese runs, is it? Itoje has to be back 10m from the mark of the penalty (so behind his own line). Until he retreats back there, he's entirely out of the game, so the fact that he's not retreated and then tackled someone heading for the line is a deliberate and cynical offence. Pearce was very average, but that was an excellent decision to go immediately to a card.
Puja
fair,I checked the laws and I thnk Oz may have muddled up the kick chase. However refs can factor in the quick tap and no time to react, but yeah, on reflection the right instinct. Hard as a defender to wave through when run at, but thats the quick tap for you.
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:20 pm
Thought Earl was poor, by the by.
Really? I thought he made decent ground ball in hand and secured two turnovers.
Puja
he was turned over a fair amount, and awol as a clearer, and poor hands at least twice. Knocked back in traffic.Two nice pick and runs from collapsed scrums i guess.
he did, wiese had run 5 m +to itoje. There was no warning so thats not a factor.
This baffled me when Healey made that point in commentary - it's not relevant how far Wiese runs, is it? Itoje has to be back 10m from the mark of the penalty (so behind his own line). Until he retreats back there, he's entirely out of the game, so the fact that he's not retreated and then tackled someone heading for the line is a deliberate and cynical offence. Pearce was very average, but that was an excellent decision to go immediately to a card.
Puja
fair,I checked the laws and I thnk Oz may have muddled up the kick chase. However refs can factor in the quick tap and no time to react, but yeah, on reflection the right instinct. Hard as a defender to wave through when run at, but thats the quick tap for you.
Easy to do, especially when a commentator sounds so confident about being wrong.
Dallaglio in commentary going, "What's he meant to do; if he goes back behind his tryline, then Wiese scores." ...that's the point of the quick tap, Lol.
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:20 pm
Thought Earl was poor, by the by.
Really? I thought he made decent ground ball in hand and secured two turnovers.
Puja
Not sure Farrell playing to the line was a big problem,
well apart from the intercept try, the forward pass and two botched passes out the back under pressure.....he just doesn't have the skill to execute under pressure.
Really? I thought he made decent ground ball in hand and secured two turnovers.
Puja
Not sure Farrell playing to the line was a big problem,
well apart from the intercept try, the forward pass and two botched passes out the back under pressure.....he just doesn't have the skill to execute under pressure.
Bloody hell Banquo! Are you trying to stop Racing committing
This baffled me when Healey made that point in commentary - it's not relevant how far Wiese runs, is it? Itoje has to be back 10m from the mark of the penalty (so behind his own line). Until he retreats back there, he's entirely out of the game, so the fact that he's not retreated and then tackled someone heading for the line is a deliberate and cynical offence. Pearce was very average, but that was an excellent decision to go immediately to a card.
Puja
fair,I checked the laws and I thnk Oz may have muddled up the kick chase. However refs can factor in the quick tap and no time to react, but yeah, on reflection the right instinct. Hard as a defender to wave through when run at, but thats the quick tap for you.
Easy to do, especially when a commentator sounds so confident about being wrong.
Dallaglio in commentary going, "What's he meant to do; if he goes back behind his tryline, then Wiese scores." ...that's the point of the quick tap, Lol.
Puja
This really hacks me off.
Healey and Dallaglio have played the game at the highest level and have been involved in presenting for at least a decade. They should know the laws of the game. Its their job to know them.
Not sure Farrell playing to the line was a big problem,
well apart from the intercept try, the forward pass and two botched passes out the back under pressure.....he just doesn't have the skill to execute under pressure.
Bloody hell Banquo! Are you trying to stop Racing committing
Really? I thought he made decent ground ball in hand and secured two turnovers.
Puja
Not sure Farrell playing to the line was a big problem,
well apart from the intercept try, the forward pass and two botched passes out the back under pressure.....he just doesn't have the skill to execute under pressure.
He did at least try to stand flat. The issue was the standing. There was very little movement from him which as the game went on just meant the Tigers defence slid off him and piled in on the runners around him forcing the errors. It was pretty poor from him and if you're looking at the other flyhalf options for England he's well off their pace.
Post game Kelly said he saw the move that led to the intercept in video analysis in the week, it's a favourite of Sarries to get Daily into space where he can use his boot. Once he read it he knew he needed to get into that passing lane and Farrell just gave him the late Christmas present rather than getting hit.
Not sure Farrell playing to the line was a big problem,
well apart from the intercept try, the forward pass and two botched passes out the back under pressure.....he just doesn't have the skill to execute under pressure.
He did at least try to stand flat. The issue was the standing. There was very little movement from him which as the game went on just meant the Tigers defence slid off him and piled in on the runners around him forcing the errors. It was pretty poor from him and if you're looking at the other flyhalf options for England he's well off their pace.
Post game Kelly said he saw the move that led to the intercept in video analysis in the week, it's a favourite of Sarries to get Daily into space where he can use his boot. Once he read it he knew he needed to get into that passing lane and Farrell just gave him the late Christmas present rather than getting hit.
My point being that he doesn't have the skill (or decision making ....see kelly try...it was a botched start to the move, so should have not proceeded...funnily enough he ran several yards before passing unlike the other mess ups) to execute under pressure that close to a defence.
well apart from the intercept try, the forward pass and two botched passes out the back under pressure.....he just doesn't have the skill to execute under pressure.
He did at least try to stand flat. The issue was the standing. There was very little movement from him which as the game went on just meant the Tigers defence slid off him and piled in on the runners around him forcing the errors. It was pretty poor from him and if you're looking at the other flyhalf options for England he's well off their pace.
Post game Kelly said he saw the move that led to the intercept in video analysis in the week, it's a favourite of Sarries to get Daily into space where he can use his boot. Once he read it he knew he needed to get into that passing lane and Farrell just gave him the late Christmas present rather than getting hit.
My point being that he doesn't have the skill (or decision making ....see kelly try...it was a botched start to the move, so should have not proceeded...funnily enough he ran several yards before passing unlike the other mess ups) to execute under pressure that close to a defence.
Can't understand why Racing, who play as they do, would want Faz, who plays as he does.
He did at least try to stand flat. The issue was the standing. There was very little movement from him which as the game went on just meant the Tigers defence slid off him and piled in on the runners around him forcing the errors. It was pretty poor from him and if you're looking at the other flyhalf options for England he's well off their pace.
Post game Kelly said he saw the move that led to the intercept in video analysis in the week, it's a favourite of Sarries to get Daily into space where he can use his boot. Once he read it he knew he needed to get into that passing lane and Farrell just gave him the late Christmas present rather than getting hit.
My point being that he doesn't have the skill (or decision making ....see kelly try...it was a botched start to the move, so should have not proceeded...funnily enough he ran several yards before passing unlike the other mess ups) to execute under pressure that close to a defence.
Can't understand why Racing, who play as they do, would want Faz, who plays as he does.
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