Quins v Bath

[Which Tyler]

Quins:

1. Fin Baxter (43)
2. Jack Walker (56)
3. Dillon Lewis (13)
4. Joe Launchbury (18)
5. George Hammond (58)
6. Stephan Lewies (62 - Captain)
7. Will Evans (82)
8. Alex Dombrandt (131)
9. Danny Care (369)
10. Marcus Smith (152)
11. Cadan Murley (107)
12. Andre Esterhuizen (83)
13. Oscar Beard (47)
14. Louis Lynagh (59)
15. Tyrone Green (68)

Impact Players:

16. Sam Riley (46)
17. Joe Marler (277)
18. Will Collier (235)
19. Irne Herbst (39)
20. Will Trenholm (10)
21. Max Green (7)
22. Lennox Anyanwu (21)
23. Cameron Anderson (6)

Bath:
15 Matt Gallagher, 14 Ruaridh McConnochie, 13 Ollie Lawrence, 12 Max Ojomoh, 11 Will Muir, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Ben Spencer; 1 Beno Obano, 2 Tom Dunn, 3 Thomas du Toit, 4 Jacques du Plessis (debut), 5 Charlie Ewels, 6 Ted Hill, 7 Miles Reid, 8 Jaco Coetzee

Replacements: 16 Niall Annett, 17 Juan Schoeman, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Elliott Stooke, 20 Josh Bayliss, 21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Orlando Bailey, 23 Alfie Barbeary

[Spiffy]

For Bath Coetzee starts over Barbeary at 8, after a great game off the bench last week.
Still think Alfie, with his bulk and shape, should be exploring his old hooker slot for possible future advancement.

[Yorkie]

There's always inside centre!

[Which Tyler]

Real shame this is clashing with both the U18s and the ladies (both KO at 4.45).

I can record the ladies, and watch this... but then do I miss the first 20 in Italy, or the last 20 at the Stoop?

ETA: the U18s is youtube, so I MAY be able to start it from the beginning, rather than live, and watch on a 20-minute delay. Sounds like a plan!

[Scrumhead]

I’m hopeful Quins will be able to take some inspiration from Saints by following up a walloping on the road with a good home win. Not sure I see that coming though … how Lewies has kept his place is mind-blowing TBH. I’m really not sure what’s happened to Lawday. He seems to have gone from being a super reliable member of our 23 to persona non grata.

[Banquo]

assume Coka's shoulder/neck/arm whatever was too bad to play this week.

[Mikey Brown]

I’m hopeful Quins will be able to take some inspiration from Saints by following up a walloping on the road with a good home win. Not sure I see that coming though … how Lewies has kept his place is mind-blowing TBH. I’m really not sure what’s happened to Lawday. He seems to have gone from being a super reliable member of our 23 to persona non grata.

Yeah I was very impressed with Lawday once he settled in and was perfect from the bench to cover all three spots. Lewies has a big impact on the team as a leader by the sounds of it, but I’m really not sure he’s worth the ROI with his injury record.

Any idea when CCS or Kenningham are due back?

[Which Tyler]

Quins unplayable today.

Bath's best bet may be to hand them a TBP ahead of HT, and hope they switch off

[FKAS]

Some dubious decision making in this one. TMO finds a knock on to deny a Quins try but ref won't go back because he'd given a penalty and allowed a quick tap before the TMO could intervene.

It's all Quins so far. Bath haven't really shown up yet.

[Which Tyler]

Quins excellent.
Bath shell shocked.

The team with momentum so often gets the rub of the green, that's just the way it goes.

[p/d]

Bath have got their 12 & 13 the wrong way round for playing Quins

[fivepointer]

Bath did well to get 2 BPs out of that. Quins were terrific for 50 minutes then clocked off.

[Mikey Brown]

Quins unplayable today.

Bath's best bet may be to hand them a TBP ahead of HT, and hope they switch off

Lol.

[Which Tyler]

Not terribly impressed by the short card for Herbst, but able to be sanguine about it. (Anyone with a recording for the actual timings?)
Helped by being distracted by more rugby immediately, and having given up the match as lost well before the card was given in the first place.

Quins dominant for 40 minutes. Bath dominant for 25 minutes. About 15 minutes of not much in it. Makes 2 BPs feel a little generous.

[Oakboy]

Bath have got their 12 & 13 the wrong way round for playing Quins

Whatever Ojomoh is supposed to have, he does not seem to show it when I watch.

[Which Tyler]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... tes-early/

The South African lock was sent to the sin-bin after 63 minutes and 52 seconds of what turned into one of the matches of the season.

Herbst should have been off the field for 10 minutes, but television pictures showed him returning to the action after 70 minutes and 51 seconds - a full three minutes early.

Herbst then made a tackle and cleared out a ruck after 71 minutes and 58 seconds as Quins held on in the face of a ferocious Bath comeback from 40-3 down early in the second half.

[FKAS]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... tes-early/

The South African lock was sent to the sin-bin after 63 minutes and 52 seconds of what turned into one of the matches of the season.

Herbst should have been off the field for 10 minutes, but television pictures showed him returning to the action after 70 minutes and 51 seconds - a full three minutes early.

Herbst then made a tackle and cleared out a ruck after 71 minutes and 58 seconds as Quins held on in the face of a ferocious Bath comeback from 40-3 down early in the second half.

What is it with the officials looking after Quins players . First the cheap shot on Farrell can't be reviewed and now even sin bins don't count for them.

[Which Tyler]

That was longer back on the pitch than I had thought.
A few seconds, and I couldn't care less.
A minute or so, and I can be pretty sanguine as it's unlikely to have changed much.
But 3 full minutes, whilst we were running rampant is huge, and match-changing.

I'm rather less chilled about it than I had been.


Will be interesting to see what RFU procedures are here. Not the ref's fault, but is it 4th official? Player? Coaches? Then we can find out if it's an honest cock-up or unacceptable cheating.


For now, I think we have to assume honest cock-up giving 10 minutes of time passed rather than the match clock. In which case 4th official needs to go back to school. If instigated by anyone from Quin's then it's going to get messy, probable points penalty, possible forfeit.

[Timbo]

Finn Baxter can definitely bang. From an England pov we really need a couple of these young looseheads to move over & give tighthead a crack.

[Puja]

Finn Baxter can definitely bang. From an England pov we really need a couple of these young looseheads to move over & give tighthead a crack.

Given we've got Opoku-Fordjour, Fasgbon, and Sela all in the same U20s cadre, it should really only be a short-term problem.

Puja

[Epaminondas Pules]

Finn Baxter can definitely bang. From an England pov we really need a couple of these young looseheads to move over & give tighthead a crack.

Why do we? Baxter used to be a TH before converting post graduating school. He and Brantingham look serious talents, but tighthead is stacked as fuck in the prospects devision!

[FKAS]

Finn Baxter can definitely bang. From an England pov we really need a couple of these young looseheads to move over & give tighthead a crack.

Given we've got Opoku-Fordjour, Fasgbon, and Sela all in the same U20s cadre, it should really only be a short-term problem.

Puja

And if you look at the current England selection Stuart (27) and Heyes (24) are younger than all three looseheads in the squad Marler (33), Obano (29) and Genge (29). Sure we need someone to step and replace Methuselah Cole but we're going to need those young looseheads to come through as well.

[fivepointer]

That was longer back on the pitch than I had thought.
A few seconds, and I couldn't care less.
A minute or so, and I can be pretty sanguine as it's unlikely to have changed much.
But 3 full minutes, whilst we were running rampant is huge, and match-changing.

I'm rather less chilled about it than I had been.


Will be interesting to see what RFU procedures are here. Not the ref's fault, but is it 4th official? Player? Coaches? Then we can find out if it's an honest cock-up or unacceptable cheating.


For now, I think we have to assume honest cock-up giving 10 minutes of time passed rather than the match clock. In which case 4th official needs to go back to school. If instigated by anyone from Quin's then it's going to get messy, probable points penalty, possible forfeit.

Dreadful incompetence. 4th official should really have been on top of this. An inexcusable error.

[Oakboy]

Having watched both Smiths this weekend, I need some convincing that SB had his FH order right at the end of the 6N rather than in the planned selection at the start. Which of them is No1 and which No 2 is the argument.

[TheNomad]

Horses for courses really. M has the flair and the running. F arguably a more all round game.

Think F will probably go on to be the better player