New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread

[Which Tyler]

Well yes but you could say, here’s half your money, go work but not for a tier 1 nation til 2025 say

Is that legal?
I didn't think you could put (legally binding) clauses in contracts for what someone who's not contracted can do.

Gardening leave is one thing, but "you're released from your contract, but still have contractual obligations" seems a very different thing.
As far as I could tell, he was basically doing some video analysis whilst on gardening leave.

[Banquo]

Well yes but you could say, here’s half your money, go work but not for a tier 1 nation til 2025 say

Is that legal?
I didn't think you could put (legally binding) clauses in contracts for what someone who's not contracted can do.

Gardening leave is one thing, but "you're released from your contract, but still have contractual obligations" seems a very different thing.
As far as I could tell, he was basically doing some video analysis whilst on gardening leave.

He’s not on gardening leave if still working. And you can certainly negotiate terms of leaving under a compromise agreement including not going to a competitor- which would likely be in the main contract tbh.
Compromise agreement is the key bit to remember.

[Banquo]

Max Malins has ruptured his achilles. Had heard he was weighing up a renewal from Bristol and a good offer in France. Presumably this injury puts the kibosh on any French move.

Poor lad.

[FKAS]

Well yes but you could say, here’s half your money, go work but not for a tier 1 nation til 2025 say

Is that legal?
I didn't think you could put (legally binding) clauses in contracts for what someone who's not contracted can do.

Gardening leave is one thing, but "you're released from your contract, but still have contractual obligations" seems a very different thing.
As far as I could tell, he was basically doing some video analysis whilst on gardening leave.

He’s not on gardening leave if still working. And you can certainly negotiate terms of leaving under a compromise agreement including not going to a competitor- which would likely be in the main contract tbh.
Compromise agreement is the key bit to remember.

As far as I understand it, non-compete causes that stop staff from joining a direct competitor are nearly impossible to enforce as it's restricting freedom to work. I may be wrong as I'm not a lawyer.

[Banquo]

Is that legal?
I didn't think you could put (legally binding) clauses in contracts for what someone who's not contracted can do.

Gardening leave is one thing, but "you're released from your contract, but still have contractual obligations" seems a very different thing.
As far as I could tell, he was basically doing some video analysis whilst on gardening leave.

He’s not on gardening leave if still working. And you can certainly negotiate terms of leaving under a compromise agreement including not going to a competitor- which would likely be in the main contract tbh.
Compromise agreement is the key bit to remember.

As far as I understand it, non-compete causes that stop staff from joining a direct competitor are nearly impossible to enforce as it's restricting freedom to work. I may be wrong as I'm not a lawyer.

Nonetheless many contracts and compromise agreements have them and in a high profile environment you couldn’t exactly hide. If it’s legitimately a threat to your ‘business’ then they are legal, providing there is a time limit.
There were moves to make it much harder to have these clauses in 2023 but not sure of the outturn.

[Dozey]

Having the clause in the contract and the clause being enforceable are two different things!

[Banquo]

Having the clause in the contract and the clause being enforceable are two different things!

of course, but suspect it would deter a prospectve employer in such a visible field.

[Timbo]

Sounds like Fasogbon has done his achilles. Won’t see him again until next season if that’s the case.

[FKAS]

Sounds like Fasogbon has done his achilles. Won’t see him again until next season if that’s the case.

Shame, he was playing really well.

[Which Tyler]

On the one hand, dammit - he was playing and developing well.
On the other hand.. he was already in danger of having been overplayed this season.

ETA: FTR, I'm NOT saying that this injury was a result of playing too much

[FKAS]

On the one hand, dammit - he was playing and developing well.
On the other hand.. he was already in danger of having been overplayed this season.

ETA: FTR, I'm NOT saying that this injury was a result of playing too much

Whilst he has played quite a bit he did get rested during the PRC weeks and then for the second Challenge Cup game. Glaws obviously wanted him playing but were building rest weeks into his schedule. Tough for them as he's proving to be an absolute star for them but at the same time they want him to be for years to come.

[Which Tyler]

He did, but he was also already up around 450-ish minutes for the season, just shy of the half-way mark.

My suggested limit 18 years ago, was 600 in a season - though I still admit that it's purely based on instinct, as there is no research on whether there's a safe limit, where it is, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely.

[jimKRFC]

Bristol to announce 10 re-signings tomorrow from 13.00.

BJVR and Ravouvou have to be in there!

[FKAS]

He did, but he was also already up around 450-ish minutes for the season, just shy of the half-way mark.

My suggested limit 18 years ago, was 600 in a season - though I still admit that it's purely based on instinct, as there is no research on whether there's a safe limit, where it is, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely.

I think you are correct about managing workloads though I'd hope with the technology currently in the game a barometer more sophisticated than minutes is being used. Number of scrums, number of collisions, force of impact monitored through the gumshield etc should all provide data and then a scoring system used to work out when rest was required to ensure that younger players bodies aren't overly stressed during development.

[Puja]

He did, but he was also already up around 450-ish minutes for the season, just shy of the half-way mark.

My suggested limit 18 years ago, was 600 in a season - though I still admit that it's purely based on instinct, as there is no research on whether there's a safe limit, where it is, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely.

I think you are correct about managing workloads though I'd hope with the technology currently in the game a barometer more sophisticated than minutes is being used. Number of scrums, number of collisions, force of impact monitored through the gumshield etc should all provide data and then a scoring system used to work out when rest was required to ensure that younger players bodies aren't overly stressed during development.

The problem is the potential contradiction between what's best for the young player's career in 10 years' time, and what's best for Gloucester Rugby's 2024/25 season given the drop-off in quality behind Fasogbon. I don't doubt they can work out the optimal metrics for a player's long-term well-being; I doubt whether they stick religiously to it when there's short-term needs affecting things as well.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

Exactly.
Players want to play. Coaches want their best player son the park as much as possible.
Med staff's job is the patient in front of them now, not so much that same person 30 years later when they're so done else's patient.

If there isn't something hard, fast and public, I wouldn't trust anyone involved to do it right.Having said that, of course there are likely to be better measures than minutes played, but there isn't the research in the blunt measure, let alone the tinkering

[FKAS]

He did, but he was also already up around 450-ish minutes for the season, just shy of the half-way mark.

My suggested limit 18 years ago, was 600 in a season - though I still admit that it's purely based on instinct, as there is no research on whether there's a safe limit, where it is, or if I'm barking up the wrong tree completely.

I think you are correct about managing workloads though I'd hope with the technology currently in the game a barometer more sophisticated than minutes is being used. Number of scrums, number of collisions, force of impact monitored through the gumshield etc should all provide data and then a scoring system used to work out when rest was required to ensure that younger players bodies aren't overly stressed during development.

The problem is the potential contradiction between what's best for the young player's career in 10 years' time, and what's best for Gloucester Rugby's 2024/25 season given the drop-off in quality behind Fasogbon. I don't doubt they can work out the optimal metrics for a player's long-term well-being; I doubt whether they stick religiously to it when there's short-term needs affecting things as well.

Puja

Yeah if you're George Skivington and after a couple of miserable seasons are seeing your side moving towards the fun end of the table. You'll take some risks with the possible generational talent tighthead that's fallen in your lap amongst what is some very average tighthead stocks otherwise.

I agree WT the medical staff should be looking longer term and holding the coaching staff to account.