Sobering reality check
- Donny osmond
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Sobering reality check
Website containing the list of names of all the journalists who have died is suspicious or unnatural circumstances since Putin came to power, 1999-2015. All 205 of them. 205 people who had the courage to ask questions of Putin, and who now no longer grace this earth. 205.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150401205 ... ussia.org/
https://web.archive.org/web/20150401205 ... ussia.org/
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
- Zhivago
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Re: Sobering reality check
Your link includes accidents.
52 murders according to the following website:
https://cpj.org/killed/europe/russia/
Bit much to ascribe the motive of all muders to Putin, although I'm sure some are. You can read about the individual cases.
52 murders according to the following website:
https://cpj.org/killed/europe/russia/
Bit much to ascribe the motive of all muders to Putin, although I'm sure some are. You can read about the individual cases.
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- cashead
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Re: Sobering reality check
So how many one-offs are we going to get?
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- Zhivago
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Re: Sobering reality check
Quit policing my posting, dickhead. Seriously.cashead wrote:So how many one-offs are we going to get?
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- cashead
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Re: Sobering reality check
Now that's rich coming from you.Zhivago wrote:Quit policing my posting, dickhead. Seriously.cashead wrote:So how many one-offs are we going to get?
Besides, you can't make a big song and dance about how you're never posting here again, and expect not to get called out on it, especially when you turn up and make a song and dance about how your first post back is only a "one-off."
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Shame on you, sweet Nerevar
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- Zhivago
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Re: Sobering reality check
I'm not going to justify myself to you, you arrogant bastard. If I want to return to posting here I will. Leave it.cashead wrote:Now that's rich coming from you.Zhivago wrote:Quit policing my posting, dickhead. Seriously.cashead wrote:So how many one-offs are we going to get?
Besides, you can't make a big song and dance about how you're never posting here again, and expect not to get called out on it, especially when you turn up and make a song and dance about how your first post back is only a "one-off."
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- Donny osmond
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Re: Sobering reality check
Is 52 ok then?
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
- Zhivago
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Re: Sobering reality check
Strawman much?Donny osmond wrote:Is 52 ok then?
No, it's not. It's super high. Journalists should be free to work without such danger.
Of course you can check the details of each murder to see the motive. Interesting if facts are your thing...
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- Eugene Wrayburn
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Re: Sobering reality check
You can't reasonably call him arrogant whilst refusing to justify your return and instructing him how he should post. It's good to see you back but he's got every right to post as well, including pointing out your flounce.Zhivago wrote:I'm not going to justify myself to you, you arrogant bastard. If I want to return to posting here I will. Leave it.cashead wrote:Now that's rich coming from you.Zhivago wrote:
Quit policing my posting, dickhead. Seriously.
Besides, you can't make a big song and dance about how you're never posting here again, and expect not to get called out on it, especially when you turn up and make a song and dance about how your first post back is only a "one-off."
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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- Zhivago
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Re: Sobering reality check
Why should I justify my return?Eugene Wrayburn wrote:You can't reasonably call him arrogant whilst refusing to justify your return and instructing him how he should post. It's good to see you back but he's got every right to post as well, including pointing out your flounce.Zhivago wrote:I'm not going to justify myself to you, you arrogant bastard. If I want to return to posting here I will. Leave it.cashead wrote:
Now that's rich coming from you.
Besides, you can't make a big song and dance about how you're never posting here again, and expect not to get called out on it, especially when you turn up and make a song and dance about how your first post back is only a "one-off."
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- Lizard
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Re: Sobering reality check
Geez, where have you been mate? The knicker knotting shop?
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- Donny osmond
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Re: RE: Re: Sobering reality check
Its really wasnt much of a strawman. The OP stated there are 205 unnatural/unexplained deaths of journos who have criticized Putin. Not 205 murders, altho its not really "a bit much" attributing the "accidents" on that list to Putin either.Zhivago wrote:Your link includes accidents.
52 murders according to the following website:
https://cpj.org/killed/europe/russia/
Bit much to ascribe the motive of all muders to Putin, although I'm sure some are. You can read about the individual cases.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
- Zhivago
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Re: RE: Re: Sobering reality check
Not sure why you put that in speech marks unless you think the OP's link is pro-Putin propaganda or something.Donny osmond wrote:Its really wasnt much of a strawman. The OP stated there are 205 unnatural/unexplained deaths of journos who have criticized Putin. Not 205 murders, altho its not really "a bit much" attributing the"accidents" on that list to Putin either.Zhivago wrote:Your link includes accidents.
52 murders according to the following website:
https://cpj.org/killed/europe/russia/
Bit much to ascribe the motive of all muders to Putin, although I'm sure some are. You can read about the individual cases.
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- Donny osmond
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Just trying to indicate that I dont believe they are accidents at allZhivago wrote:Not sure why you put that in speech marks unless you think the OP's link is pro-Putin propaganda or something.Donny osmond wrote:Its really wasnt much of a strawman. The OP stated there are 205 unnatural/unexplained deaths of journos who have criticized Putin. Not 205 murders, altho its not really "a bit much" attributing the"accidents" on that list to Putin either.Zhivago wrote:Your link includes accidents.
52 murders according to the following website:
https://cpj.org/killed/europe/russia/
Bit much to ascribe the motive of all muders to Putin, although I'm sure some are. You can read about the individual cases.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.