Bristol Vs Sarries

[Mikey Brown]

I can’t say I’d thought this law needed to change, but my hope would be the chance of more regular/clean ball would encourage teams to attack more (than push for penalties) off scrums.

[Banquo]

On the 9 law, imo its unnecessary

In what sense? It's the most exciting law change in a while to my mind, so I'm interested to know what's making you go Meh.

Puja

exciting and law change rarely go together. What problem are you solving?

[Danno]

Just caught this and Willis is obscene. 2 tries sure, but he was everywhere

[Puja]

On the 9 law, imo its unnecessary

In what sense? It's the most exciting law change in a while to my mind, so I'm interested to know what's making you go Meh.

Puja

exciting and law change rarely go together. What problem are you solving?

The lack of clean ball from a scrum because 9s are currently allowed (and expected) to clamber all over an 8 and prevent a clean pick from the base. The aim is that it'll incentivise using a dominant scrum as an attacking platform, rather than just a mill for penalties, as well as enabling a dominated scrum an opportunity for a quick strike and 8-pick, rather than every scrum becoming a penalty.

Puja

[Puja]

Just caught this and Willis is obscene. 2 tries sure, but he was everywhere

What on earth are you doing talking about the match on a match thread?!? Someone call a mod!

Puja

[Danno]

Just caught this and Willis is obscene. 2 tries sure, but he was everywhere

What on earth are you doing talking about the match on a match thread?!? Someone call a mod!

Puja

I think he should play 12 tbh

[Danno]

Oh and even if van Rensberg was English born and bred for six generations: not with that fookin' mullet, mate.

[Mikey Brown]

Oh and even if van Rensberg was English born and bred for six generations: not with that fookin' mullet, mate.

Saying what we’re all too scared to say in this current climate. Good on you.

[oldbackrow]

Just caught this and Willis is obscene. 2 tries sure, but he was everywhere

What on earth are you doing talking about the match on a match thread?!? Someone call a mod!

Puja

I think he should play 12 tbh

Willis at inside centre and Earl at outside centre?

[Danno]

What on earth are you doing talking about the match on a match thread?!? Someone call a mod!

Puja

I think he should play 12 tbh

Willis at inside centre and Earl at outside centre?

Let's do it. And burn all the mullets

[Which Tyler]

Willis at inside centre and Earl at outside centre?

But where does that leave for Barbeary?

Let's do it. And burn all the mullets

Who's going to break the news at the Southern tip of the M5?

[Banquo]

In what sense? It's the most exciting law change in a while to my mind, so I'm interested to know what's making you go Meh.

Puja

exciting and law change rarely go together. What problem are you solving?

The lack of clean ball from a scrum because 9s are currently allowed (and expected) to clamber all over an 8 and prevent a clean pick from the base. The aim is that it'll incentivise using a dominant scrum as an attacking platform, rather than just a mill for penalties, as well as enabling a dominated scrum an opportunity for a quick strike and 8-pick, rather than every scrum becoming a penalty.

Puja

Not sure it’s a big deal frankly. Rob’s Peter to pay Paul as usual with law fiddling.

[Mellsblue]

exciting and law change rarely go together. What problem are you solving?

The lack of clean ball from a scrum because 9s are currently allowed (and expected) to clamber all over an 8 and prevent a clean pick from the base. The aim is that it'll incentivise using a dominant scrum as an attacking platform, rather than just a mill for penalties, as well as enabling a dominated scrum an opportunity for a quick strike and 8-pick, rather than every scrum becoming a penalty.

Puja

Not sure it’s a big deal frankly. Rob’s Peter to pay Paul as usual with law fiddling.

The best thing about law changes is watching the unintended consequences.

[Mikey Brown]

What’s the obvious way this scrum law backfires that I’m not seeing?

[Banquo]

What’s the obvious way this scrum law backfires that I’m not seeing?

... I think the 'unintended consequences' part covers that question . My view is that its not needed.

[Mellsblue]

What’s the obvious way this scrum law backfires that I’m not seeing?

The unintended way.

But it might not. In which case, huzza.

[Mikey Brown]

What’s the obvious way this scrum law backfires that I’m not seeing?

... I think the 'unintended consequences' part covers that question . My view is that its not needed.

Is unintended the same as unpredictable now? Who is the ‘Peter’ getting robbed in your analogy?

[oldbackrow]

Willis at inside centre and Earl at outside centre?

But where does that leave for Barbeary?

Let's do it. And burn all the mullets

Who's going to break the news at the Southern tip of the M5?

Barbeary can go in at 10, move CCS and Curry to the wing and you have a perfect combination for attack and defence!

[Mellsblue]

Barbeary at hooker might be interesting.

[Banquo]

What’s the obvious way this scrum law backfires that I’m not seeing?

... I think the 'unintended consequences' part covers that question . My view is that its not needed.

Is unintended the same as unpredictable now? Who is the ‘Peter’ getting robbed in your analogy?

the point is unintended in the whole thing (for example it may change what you look for in a 9; getting the ball away from the base under pressure is a skill set, as is the harassing side of it)- my objection is that it's a solution looking for a problem. Yet another sop to removing contests in order 'to make the game more attractive;.

Its a fair but pedantic point on unintended/unpredictable; but there certainly have been (seemingly) unpredictable AND unintended consequences in some law changes.

[Banquo]

Barbeary at hooker might be interesting.

shame that train has sailed

[Mikey Brown]

... I think the 'unintended consequences' part covers that question . My view is that its not needed.

Is unintended the same as unpredictable now? Who is the ‘Peter’ getting robbed in your analogy?

the point is unintended in the whole thing (for example it may change what you look for in a 9; getting the ball away from the base under pressure is a skill set, as is the harassing side of it)- my objection is that it's a solution looking for a problem. Yet another sop to removing contests in order 'to make the game more attractive;.

Its a fair but pedantic point on unintended/unpredictable; but there certainly have been (seemingly) unpredictable AND unintended consequences in some law changes.

Fair enough. I agree we've seen people adapt to new laws in undesired ways (in terms of opening the game up) but felt like I was missing an obvious loophole/strategy that could be used here.

I wonder if it is considered a conscious move to depower the defensive scrum (because we're all conspiring to take down SA) rather than simply open up space to attack. Good point about the harrying element of the 9's game, it must seem weird to have that role simply disappear, but it's hard to imagine that will make a huge difference to selection in comparison to the other qualities needed.

[Banquo]

Is unintended the same as unpredictable now? Who is the ‘Peter’ getting robbed in your analogy?

the point is unintended in the whole thing (for example it may change what you look for in a 9; getting the ball away from the base under pressure is a skill set, as is the harassing side of it)- my objection is that it's a solution looking for a problem. Yet another sop to removing contests in order 'to make the game more attractive;.

Its a fair but pedantic point on unintended/unpredictable; but there certainly have been (seemingly) unpredictable AND unintended consequences in some law changes.

Fair enough. I agree we've seen people adapt to new laws in undesired ways (in terms of opening the game up) but felt like I was missing an obvious loophole/strategy that could be used here.

I wonder if it is considered a conscious move to depower the defensive scrum (because we're all conspiring to take down SA) rather than simply open up space to attack. Good point about the harrying element of the 9's game, it must seem weird to have that role simply disappear, but it's hard to imagine that will make a huge difference to selection in comparison to the other qualities needed.

I think it would make a difference on taking away the skill of getting the ball away from a scrum going right to left for example. I tend to agree on the depowering bit, but that’s the un.. something part.