PRC round 4

[jimKRFC]

Bristol's side for Ampthill:
15. Benjamin Elizalde (13 apps), 14. Noah Heward (25 apps), 13. Kalaveti Ravouvou (21 apps), 12. Joe Jenkins (23 apps), 11. Deago Bailey (15 apps), 10. Harry Byrne (4 apps), 9. Kieran Marmion (41 apps); 1. Yann Thomas (c) (123 apps), 2. Will Capon (94 apps), 3. George Kloska (55 apps), 4. Josh Caulfield (28 apps), 5. Steele Barker (3 apps), 6. Santiago Grondona (9 apps), 7. Kofi Cripps (1 app), 8. Benjamin Grondona (15 apps).

Subs: 16. Tomas Gwilliam (4 apps), 17. Andrew Turner (9 apps), 18. Jimmy Halliwell (9 apps), 19. Steven Luatua (144 apps), 20. Fitz Harding (87 apps), 21. Sam Edwards (3 apps), 22. Benhard Janse van Rensburg (40 apps), 23. Rich Lane (51 apps).

Also have the Queensland side up (more of a combination team to be honest):
15. Elias Caven (Cambridge), 14. Solomon Taufa (Dings Crusaders), 13. Jacob Cusick (1 apps), 12. Gethin O’Callaghan (2 apps), 11. Harry Rowson (10 apps), 10. Harry Bazalgette (Hartpury), 9. Sam Wolstenholme (6 apps); 1. Jake Woolmore (163 apps), 2. Gabriel Oghre (33 apps), 3. Max Lahiff (101 apps), 4. Ethan Surrey (2 apps), 5. Joe Owen (27 apps), 6. Paddy Pearce (10 apps), 7. Aaron Tull (7 apps), 8. Jake Heenan (c) (117 apps).

Replacements: 16. Tom Doughty, 17. Sam Grahamslaw, 18. Tom Sims (Dings Crusaders), 19. Brian Ncube (Dings Crusaders), 20. Will Ramply (Nottingham University), 21. *George Turner (Dragons TBC), 22. Matty Jones (Hartpury), 23. Dylan Power (Exeter University), 24. Josh Carrington (Cardiff Met).

And the stronger side of the weekend - the unavailables:
1. Ellis Genge, Louie Trevett, 2. Harry Thacker, 3. Lovejoy Chawatama, 4. James Dun, 5. Joe Batley, 6. George Taylor, 7. Kenzie Jenkins, 8. Viliame Mata, 9. Harry Randall, 10. AJ MacGinty, 11. Gabriel Ibitoye, 12. James Williams, 13. Jack Bates, 14. Siva Naulago, 15. Max Malins.

Subs: Sam Scott (prop), Sam Worsley (10), Aidan Boshoff (wing), Toby Baker (12), Toby Fricker (14)

[Mellsblue]

Bath vs Bedford is on the telly box on Sunday. It was meant to be on Friday evening and the move completely scuppered my plans to go and watch.

[Banquo]

oi....give us our 15 back

[Epaminondas Pules]

Sale Sharks Starting XV:  

15. Ollie Davies, 14. Obi Ene, 13. Joe Bedlow, 12. Sam Bedlow, 11. Alex Wills, 10. Tom Curtis ©, 9. Nye Thomas, 8. Rouban Birch, 7. Tristan Woodman, 6. Sam Dugdale, 5. Jonny Hill, 4. Ben Bamber, 3. Jake Bridges, 2. Tadgh McElroy, 1. Si McIntyre

Replacements:  

16. Harry Thompson, 17. Tumy Onasanya, 18. Tom Furtado-Mills, 19. Alex Groves, 20. Seb Kelly, 21. Gus Warr, 22. Toby Wilson, 23. Albert Bradshaw.

[FKAS]

STARTING XV

15 Jamie Shillcock [41]
14 Adam Radwan [1]
13 Dan Kelly [90]
12 Joseph Woodward [21]
11 Will Wand [8]
10 Ben Volavola [3]
9 Ben Youngs (C) [327]
1 James Whitcombe [61]
2 Charlie Clare [111]
3 Dan Cole [334]
4 Tom Manz [10]
5 Côme Joussain [10]
6 Hanro Liebenberg [121]
7 Emeka Ilione [35]
8 Kyle Hatherell [26]

REPLACEMENTS

16 Finn Theobald-Thomas [13]
17 James Cronin [43]
18 Tim Hoyt [5]
19 Harry Wells [211]
20 Finn Carnduff [15]
21 Tom Whiteley [37]
22 Solomone Kata [32]
23 George Pearson [2]

Tigers going a bit stronger than last time out Vs Saints in the PRC.

[FKAS]

15 James Ramm – 50th Saints appearance
14 Will Glister
13 Billy Pasco
12 Charlie Savala
11 Tom Seabrook
10 George Makepeace-Cubitt
9 Tom James

1 Tarek Haffar
2 Henry Walker
3 Luke Green
4 Ed Prowse
5 Callum Hunter-Hill
6 Angus Scott-Young (c)
7 Fyn Brown
8 Juarno Augustus

Replacements:
16 Craig Wright
17 Tom West
18 Elliot Millar Mills
19 Tom Lockett
20 Archie Benson
21 Jonny Weimann
22 Rafe Witheat
23 Jake Garside

[Banquo]

15 James Ramm – 50th Saints appearance
14 Will Glister
13 Billy Pasco
12 Charlie Savala
11 Tom Seabrook
10 George Makepeace-Cubitt
9 Tom James

1 Tarek Haffar
2 Henry Walker
3 Luke Green
4 Ed Prowse
5 Callum Hunter-Hill
6 Angus Scott-Young (c)
7 Fyn Brown
8 Juarno Augustus

Replacements:
16 Craig Wright
17 Tom West
18 Elliot Millar Mills
19 Tom Lockett
20 Archie Benson
21 Jonny Weimann
22 Rafe Witheat
23 Jake Garside

Oi, give us our 14 and 20 back!!

[Which Tyler]

For the televised match, Sunday at 3.00
Ref: Hamish Grant
TJs: George Selwood & Veryan Boscawen
TMO: Andrew Jackson

Bath:
1 Aurthur Cordwell
2 Jasper Spandler
3 Kieran Verden
4 Harvey Cuckson
5 Ewan Richards ©
6 Ethan Staddon
7 Tom Cowan
8 Aurthur Green

09 Tom Carr-Smith
10 Orlando Bailey
11 Ruaridh McConnochie
12 Will Butt
13 Louie Hennessey
14, Sam Harris
15 Ciaran Donoghue

16 John Stewart, 17 Scott Kirk, 18 Archie Stanley, 19 Jack Bennett, 20 Mackenzie Graham
21 Neil le Roux, 22 Austin Emens, 23 Will Parry


Bedford:
1. Joey Conway
2. James Fish
3. Oisin Heffernan
4. Rory Ward
5. Alex Woolford
6. Luke Frost
7. Joe Howard
8. Cameron King

09. Alex Day (c)
10. Will Maisey
11. Matt Worley
12. Joel Matavesi
13. Lucas Titherington
14. Alfie Garside
15. Louis James

16. Nathan Langdon, 17. Jamie Jack, 18. Beltus Nonleh, 19. Fred Tuilagi, 20. Jac Arthur, 21. Tommy Herman
22. James Lennon, 23. Michael Le Bourgeois

[Banquo]

For the televised match, Sunday at 3.00
Ref: Hamish Grant
TJs: George Selwood & Veryan Boscawen
TMO: Andrew Jackson

Bath:
1 Aurthur Cordwell, 2 Jasper Spandler, 3 Kieran Verden, 4 Harvey Cuckson, 5 Ewan Richards ©, 6 Ethan Staddon, 7 Tom Cowan, 8 Aurthur Green, 9 Tom Carr-Smith, 10 Orlando Bailey, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 12 Will Butt, 13 Louie Hennessey, 14, Sam Harris, 15 Ciaran Donoghue

16 John Stewart, 17 Scott Kirk, 18 Archie Stanley, 19 Jack Bennett, 20 Mackenzie Graham, 21 Neil le Roux, 22 Austin Emens, 23 Will Parry


Bedford:
15. Louis James, 14. Alfie Garside, 13. Lucas Titherington, 12. Joel Matavesi, 11. Matt Worley, 10. Will Maisey, 9. Alex Day (C); 1. Joey Conway, 2. James Fish, 3. Oisin Heffernan, 4. Rory Ward, 5. Alex Woolford, 6. Luke Frost, 7. Joe Howard, 8. Cameron King

Bedford Blues Replacements:

16. Nathan Langdon, 17. Jamie Jack, 18. Beltus Nonleh, 19. Fred Tuilagi, 20. Jac Arthur, 21. Tommy Herman, 22. James Lennon, 23. Michael Le Bourgeois

Verden, Richards, and Nonleh have also played for us in the last year. Damn, if we could have kept all these guys we'd be flying!

[Epaminondas Pules]

Sale Sharks Starting XV:  

15. Ollie Davies, 14. Obi Ene, 13. Joe Bedlow, 12. Sam Bedlow, 11. Alex Wills, 10. Tom Curtis ©, 9. Nye Thomas, 8. Rouban Birch, 7. Tristan Woodman, 6. Sam Dugdale, 5. Jonny Hill, 4. Ben Bamber, 3. Jake Bridges, 2. Tadgh McElroy, 1. Si McIntyre

Replacements:  

16. Harry Thompson, 17. Tumy Onasanya, 18. Tom Furtado-Mills, 19. Alex Groves, 20. Seb Kelly, 21. Gus Warr, 22. Toby Wilson, 23. Albert Bradshaw.

Hoping to all hopes that he gets the England call for the French game. Coen and Bellamy are not great by any stretch.

[Banquo]

bit of a joke this round....loan players pretty much all recalled.

[Which Tyler]

Yeah, something needs to be done about that, going forwards
NB in case anyone from PRL is reading: "something" doesn't mean kicking out the championship clubs (but should involve inviting ALL of them)

[FKAS]

bit of a joke this round....loan players pretty much all recalled.

What do you expect to happen? Loan players are in the championship for development. This development competition comes during the international period when all the clubs are short.

I'd prefer the competition to be under 23 with a restricted number of players over 23 allowed per each match day squad. Focus all clubs on keep developing players.

[Banquo]

Yeah, something needs to be done about that, going forwards
NB in case anyone from PRL is reading: "something" doesn't mean kicking out the championship clubs (but should involve inviting ALL of them)

there will not be a PRC next season so its moot.

[Banquo]

bit of a joke this round....loan players pretty much all recalled.

What do you expect to happen? Loan players are in the championship for development. This development competition comes during the international period when all the clubs are short.

I'd prefer the competition to be under 23 with a restricted number of players over 23 allowed per each match day squad. Focus all clubs on keep developing players.

I`m highlighting both the dependency of London Scottish, Ampthill and even Hartpury on loan players, and how bizarre it is, for example, that c 8 of todays quins side played against London Scottish.....having played FOR Scottish last week.

Pointless debating with you on this tbh. But even with your point, the prem clubs didnt need to take so many players...and Bristol have two games in three days. The Prem clubs didnt really want the cup and are making that point.
The joke lies in the format and scheduling, then the prem clubs attitude.

[FKAS]

bit of a joke this round....loan players pretty much all recalled.

What do you expect to happen? Loan players are in the championship for development. This development competition comes during the international period when all the clubs are short.

I'd prefer the competition to be under 23 with a restricted number of players over 23 allowed per each match day squad. Focus all clubs on keep developing players.

I`m highlighting both the dependency of London Scottish, Ampthill and even Hartpury on loan players, and how bizarre it is, for example, that c 8 of todays quins side played against London Scottish.....having played FOR Scottish last week.

Pointless debating with you on this tbh. But even with your point, the prem clubs didnt need to take so many players...and Bristol have two games in three days. The Prem clubs didnt really want the cup and are making that point.
The joke lies in the format and scheduling, then the prem clubs attitude.

I don't think the clubs didn't want it, not playing during international windows but still having a source of income is very useful. I also think most don't give a toss about winning it, which is probably what's grinding your gears a bit. As the Prem clubs aren't interested in winning it they aren't so interested in whether the Championship clubs want to win it either. Hence they'll recall the loan players to give them game time in their home system so that those international players are covered and those regular first teamers in need of a rest get that as well.

It's not ideal, the excluded Champ teams for starters. The format works better than the old one did. At least you play the sides in your own group now.

[Epaminondas Pules]

Sale Sharks Starting XV:  

15. Ollie Davies, 14. Obi Ene, 13. Joe Bedlow, 12. Sam Bedlow, 11. Alex Wills, 10. Tom Curtis ©, 9. Nye Thomas, 8. Rouban Birch, 7. Tristan Woodman, 6. Sam Dugdale, 5. Jonny Hill, 4. Ben Bamber, 3. Jake Bridges, 2. Tadgh McElroy, 1. Si McIntyre

Replacements:  

16. Harry Thompson, 17. Tumy Onasanya, 18. Tom Furtado-Mills, 19. Alex Groves, 20. Seb Kelly, 21. Gus Warr, 22. Toby Wilson, 23. Albert Bradshaw.

Hoping to all hopes that he gets the England call for the French game. Coen and Bellamy are not great by any stretch.

One try and two assists

[Banquo]

What do you expect to happen? Loan players are in the championship for development. This development competition comes during the international period when all the clubs are short.

I'd prefer the competition to be under 23 with a restricted number of players over 23 allowed per each match day squad. Focus all clubs on keep developing players.

I`m highlighting both the dependency of London Scottish, Ampthill and even Hartpury on loan players, and how bizarre it is, for example, that c 8 of todays quins side played against London Scottish.....having played FOR Scottish last week.

Pointless debating with you on this tbh. But even with your point, the prem clubs didnt need to take so many players...and Bristol have two games in three days. The Prem clubs didnt really want the cup and are making that point.
The joke lies in the format and scheduling, then the prem clubs attitude.

I don't think the clubs didn't want it, not playing during international windows but still having a source of income is very useful. I also think most don't give a toss about winning it, which is probably what's grinding your gears a bit. As the Prem clubs aren't interested in winning it they aren't so interested in whether the Championship clubs want to win it either. Hence they'll recall the loan players to give them game time in their home system so that those international players are covered and those regular first teamers in need of a rest get that as well.

It's not ideal, the excluded Champ teams for starters. The format works better than the old one did. At least you play the sides in your own group now.

The format I agree is theoretically better....and thats from an excluded club...but in practice the next couple of weekends will be pointless-ish for the non pro teams on the park, given prem clubs attitude (and I will repeat, they dont have to recall on this scale, nor players who have been all season at champ clubs). I`ll repeat, they had to be dragged and bribed into the comp, and there wont be one involving T2 next season.

Its good financially for champ clubs, will give you that, even if Quins 2's are playing Scottish 2 's My gear grind is really about being excluded; my observation is as above.

[FKAS]

I`m highlighting both the dependency of London Scottish, Ampthill and even Hartpury on loan players, and how bizarre it is, for example, that c 8 of todays quins side played against London Scottish.....having played FOR Scottish last week.

Pointless debating with you on this tbh. But even with your point, the prem clubs didnt need to take so many players...and Bristol have two games in three days. The Prem clubs didnt really want the cup and are making that point.
The joke lies in the format and scheduling, then the prem clubs attitude.

I don't think the clubs didn't want it, not playing during international windows but still having a source of income is very useful. I also think most don't give a toss about winning it, which is probably what's grinding your gears a bit. As the Prem clubs aren't interested in winning it they aren't so interested in whether the Championship clubs want to win it either. Hence they'll recall the loan players to give them game time in their home system so that those international players are covered and those regular first teamers in need of a rest get that as well.

It's not ideal, the excluded Champ teams for starters. The format works better than the old one did. At least you play the sides in your own group now.

The format I agree is theoretically better....and thats from an excluded club...but in practice the next couple of weekends will be pointless-ish for the non pro teams on the park, given prem clubs attitude (and I will repeat, they dont have to recall on this scale, nor players who have been all season at champ clubs). I`ll repeat, they had to be dragged and bribed into the comp, and there wont be one involving T2 next season.

Its good financially for champ clubs, will give you that, even if Quins 2's are playing Scottish 2 's My gear grind is really about being excluded; my observation is as above.

Yeah we can agree on the exclusion being pointless and lazy organisation. I'd prefer to add those two extra Champ sides in and then invite the top two BUCS sides in to make up the numbers maybe.

[Banquo]

I don't think the clubs didn't want it, not playing during international windows but still having a source of income is very useful. I also think most don't give a toss about winning it, which is probably what's grinding your gears a bit. As the Prem clubs aren't interested in winning it they aren't so interested in whether the Championship clubs want to win it either. Hence they'll recall the loan players to give them game time in their home system so that those international players are covered and those regular first teamers in need of a rest get that as well.

It's not ideal, the excluded Champ teams for starters. The format works better than the old one did. At least you play the sides in your own group now.

The format I agree is theoretically better....and thats from an excluded club...but in practice the next couple of weekends will be pointless-ish for the non pro teams on the park, given prem clubs attitude (and I will repeat, they dont have to recall on this scale, nor players who have been all season at champ clubs). I`ll repeat, they had to be dragged and bribed into the comp, and there wont be one involving T2 next season.

Its good financially for champ clubs, will give you that, even if Quins 2's are playing Scottish 2 's My gear grind is really about being excluded; my observation is as above.

Yeah we can agree on the exclusion being pointless and lazy organisation. I'd prefer to add those two extra Champ sides in and then invite the top two BUCS sides in to make up the numbers maybe.

its all moot next season....and it was PRL who insisted on 10+10

[FKAS]

The format I agree is theoretically better....and thats from an excluded club...but in practice the next couple of weekends will be pointless-ish for the non pro teams on the park, given prem clubs attitude (and I will repeat, they dont have to recall on this scale, nor players who have been all season at champ clubs). I`ll repeat, they had to be dragged and bribed into the comp, and there wont be one involving T2 next season.

Its good financially for champ clubs, will give you that, even if Quins 2's are playing Scottish 2 's My gear grind is really about being excluded; my observation is as above.

Yeah we can agree on the exclusion being pointless and lazy organisation. I'd prefer to add those two extra Champ sides in and then invite the top two BUCS sides in to make up the numbers maybe.

its all moot next season....and it was PRL who insisted on 10+10

Yeah cause they were lazy and it made the structure easy.

[Mellsblue]

It’s the big day, boys. Why rugby and this comp were invented: to watch Bedford Blues get their arses handed to them live on tv.

[p/d]

What channel?

[Mellsblue]

TNT

[p/d]

TNT

Cheers