Trump

[Digby]

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

That was an example of a group fighting Western proxies - the terrorists America & Saudi, et al, created. You were the one lumping them all together and making silly analogies about Germany and Deutschland. Fact is, just like the actual terrorists, those fighting Western imperialism and Western proxies (including terrorists) do not name themselves like pop groups. That's a creation of Western media. Al Qaeda is actually a slang term for 'the toilet' in Arabic, so that really wouldn't be a very good choice, would it? So they've been rebranded as 'ISIS,' 'Daesh,' 'Al Sham,' 'Al Nusra,' etc (the Khorasan was discredited early on), but these names have all been provided by the West and no distinction is made between jihadist maniacs and resistance fighters. It also serves to disguise the fact the former are provided by staunched American ally Saudi Arabia.

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

[rowan]

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

That was an example of a group fighting Western proxies - the terrorists America & Saudi, et al, created. You were the one lumping them all together and making silly analogies about Germany and Deutschland. Fact is, just like the actual terrorists, those fighting Western imperialism and Western proxies (including terrorists) do not name themselves like pop groups. That's a creation of Western media. Al Qaeda is actually a slang term for 'the toilet' in Arabic, so that really wouldn't be a very good choice, would it? So they've been rebranded as 'ISIS,' 'Daesh,' 'Al Sham,' 'Al Nusra,' etc (the Khorasan was discredited early on), but these names have all been provided by the West and no distinction is made between jihadist maniacs and resistance fighters. It also serves to disguise the fact the former are provided by staunched American ally Saudi Arabia.

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

[Vengeful Glutton]

Nazi collaborator George Soros behind the "spontaneous" protests in W.D.C.?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ashington/

Z list actress delivers an epic rant about taxes on tampons at this weekend's protest rally.
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Soros is an inside trading worm (Trump should love that), but criticising the march as not being spontaneous (i.e. not a riot) is disingenuous, at the very least. Planned Parenthood and The National Resource Defense Council are not exactly red flags for a subversive militia. The march in DC has been open knowledge here for weeks. Of course it was planned. The cops knew about it beforehand, so everything would be smooth-smoothie. What is the problem? Were you bottle fed as a child? I too think the Trump media beat ups are overkill, but shit boi, if you act like a misogynist cunt for decades, please do not be shocked if the 50% of the population you have portrayed as toy things for your pleasure decide to exercise a little freedom of speech upon your initiation to the highest office in the land. It's a good thing. Let's him know they are still here.

Ah yes, they were protesting against misogyny.

Strange then, that they didn't utter a word about Hillary Clinton accepting donations from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

[Digby]

Utter tripe, the Kurdish YPG are not lumped together with Al Qaeda or ISIS across Europe and I don't know anyone who think's they're fighting Western imperialism, far from it. Maybe that's the case in Turkey, but seeing as your typical lunacy sees you directing scorn at the US and the UK then we're not responsible for the Turkish government's take on the situation nor the reporting of it in Turkey.

That was an example of a group fighting Western proxies - the terrorists America & Saudi, et al, created. You were the one lumping them all together and making silly analogies about Germany and Deutschland. Fact is, just like the actual terrorists, those fighting Western imperialism and Western proxies (including terrorists) do not name themselves like pop groups. That's a creation of Western media. Al Qaeda is actually a slang term for 'the toilet' in Arabic, so that really wouldn't be a very good choice, would it? So they've been rebranded as 'ISIS,' 'Daesh,' 'Al Sham,' 'Al Nusra,' etc (the Khorasan was discredited early on), but these names have all been provided by the West and no distinction is made between jihadist maniacs and resistance fighters. It also serves to disguise the fact the former are provided by staunched American ally Saudi Arabia.

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

[rowan]

I don't think I lumped anyone together. Certainly not Al Qaeda and the Kurdish rebels, when it was noted sometimes they're reported as friends and sometimes as terrorists I took that to mean (give there was commentary on Al Qaeda) we were friends with the Mujahideen when they fought the Soviets, and from some of those groups grew what we might refer to as Al Qaeda, who we weren't friends with, though must likely we're now working with some elements of Al Qaeda again now we're opposed to ISIS.

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

[morepork]

Nazi collaborator George Soros behind the "spontaneous" protests in W.D.C.?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ashington/

Z list actress delivers an epic rant about taxes on tampons at this weekend's protest rally.
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Soros is an inside trading worm (Trump should love that), but criticising the march as not being spontaneous (i.e. not a riot) is disingenuous, at the very least. Planned Parenthood and The National Resource Defense Council are not exactly red flags for a subversive militia. The march in DC has been open knowledge here for weeks. Of course it was planned. The cops knew about it beforehand, so everything would be smooth-smoothie. What is the problem? Were you bottle fed as a child? I too think the Trump media beat ups are overkill, but shit boi, if you act like a misogynist cunt for decades, please do not be shocked if the 50% of the population you have portrayed as toy things for your pleasure decide to exercise a little freedom of speech upon your initiation to the highest office in the land. It's a good thing. Let's him know they are still here.

Ah yes, they were protesting against misogyny.

Strange then, that they didn't utter a word about Hillary Clinton accepting donations from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Are you saying that the Hilldog organised this event? Or did the nazis? They were rallying for a domestic issue. Don't leave town till you've seen the country baby.

[cashead]

So edgy.

[Digby]

By disregarding the entire point of my post, which was that these pop group names are simply blanket terms to discredit anyone fighting against Western interests - whether they be Jihadists, legitimate resistance groups or some lunatic driving a truck in France - you were giving credence to the propaganda which indeed lumps them together and demonizes all.

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

What you said was the labels ISIS and Al Qaeda are not used by terrorists, and thus I considered you were talking about terrorists, because of your use of the word terrorists.

If you now want to say when you said terrorists you intended to mean a much wider group and not simply terrorists then you should have said so, or you could have said the group referred to (simplistically) as terrorists.

[rowan]

I've just specifically given an example of how they're not simply all lumped together so that's another odd claim, and anyway not all the groups are aimed at fighting against Western influence, and nor are they fighting for. Some groups have more to them than simply responding to the West. Some groups out of any number of tribal, religious and political groups are perhaps lumped together under some simplified banners such as ISIS, but tbh you'd find that in the struggles in Ireland, and that's something we've much more familiar with, that's partly just how stuff is reported and talked about anywhere.

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

What you said was the labels ISIS and Al Qaeda are not used by terrorists, and thus I considered you were talking about terrorists, because of your use of the word terrorists.

If you now want to say when you said terrorists you intended to mean a much wider group and not simply terrorists then you should have said so, or you could have said the group referred to (simplistically) as terrorists.

Go back and read it properly, Digby...

[Digby]

Well, now you seem to be saying pretty much what I was saying in the first place. Try looking properly before jumping into a debate next time.

What you said was the labels ISIS and Al Qaeda are not used by terrorists, and thus I considered you were talking about terrorists, because of your use of the word terrorists.

If you now want to say when you said terrorists you intended to mean a much wider group and not simply terrorists then you should have said so, or you could have said the group referred to (simplistically) as terrorists.

Go back and read it properly, Digby...

Sadly I did read it, and you said 'My personal view is that these names, both Al Qaeda and ISIS, are not used by the terrorists themselves' which quite clearly says you're talking about terrorists, and terrorists comes with some specific meanings.

You might have meant something else, but that's for you to know, others can only go on the words you use.

[Vengeful Glutton]

Are you saying that the Hilldog organised this event? Or did the nazis? They were rallying for a domestic issue. Don't leave town till you've seen the country baby.

You've stated that these protests were a rallying cry against misogyny. Now you've changed that to a "domestic issue". What would that domestic issue be, precisely?

Ya see, what I don't get about these pinko liberal types, that you're desperately defending, is that on the one hand, they'll violently protest against the inauguration of a democratically elected president because he's a "misogynist", but on the other, they remain silent about what should be, assuming all things are equal, an equally pertinent issue:

Hillary Clinton receiving one fifth of her campaign funding from the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia, which, as you know, endorses amongst other humans rights abuses, misogyny.

Maybe if you could explain this blatant hypocrisy, Madonna will suck your d1ck eh?

[Vengeful Glutton]

[Vengeful Glutton]

[Len]

It is however their democratic right to protest whatever the fuck they want.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Len]

That Mark Dice guy is a top class twat, Trump train, what a cunt.

That Ashley Judd speech though, WTF is she on? That was barely coherent.

Worlds gone nuts. Comedy gold this.

[cashead]

LOOK AT ME I'M EDGY!

So edgy.

[morepork]

You've stated that these protests were a rallying cry against misogyny. Now you've changed that to a "domestic issue". What would that domestic issue be, precisely?

Ya see, what I don't get about these pinko liberal types, that you're desperately defending, is that on the one hand, they'll violently protest against the inauguration of a democratically elected president because he's a "misogynist", but on the other, they remain silent about what should be, assuming all things are equal, an equally pertinent issue:

Hillary Clinton receiving one fifth of her campaign funding from the Kingdom of Saudia Arabia, which, as you know, endorses amongst other humans rights abuses, misogyny.

Maybe if you could explain this blatant hypocrisy, Madonna will suck your d1ck eh?

Pinko liberals? What is that? A recurring nightmare for your psychiatrist to dissect? I must have also missed the violence. Was there violence? Again, why the hard on for Hillary Clinton? Did she organise this? Of course it is a domestic issue, these people were exercising their right to free speech in their own country. Maybe if you could explain this confusion, I could suck your dick?

[rowan]

This looks like seriously good news:

In yet another bold move in their initial days in office, U.S. President Donald Trump and team have announced their withdrawal from the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade agreement.

Claiming that Trump “understands how critical it is to put American workers and businesses first when it comes to trade,” the statement on the White House’s website promises to bring jobs and economic prosperity by “rejecting and reworking failed trade deals.” Earlier this month, his team also announced they would instead be focusing on more bilateral trade deals.

“This strategy starts by withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and making certain that any new trade deals are in the interests of American workers,” the statement reads, then delivers an ultimatum regarding its commitment to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement, the neo-liberal wedge used to open up the Mexican market to trade by promising, and failing to deliver, economic prosperity.

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/p ... -from-tpp/

What you said was the labels ISIS and Al Qaeda are not used by terrorists, and thus I considered you were talking about terrorists, because of your use of the word terrorists.

If you now want to say when you said terrorists you intended to mean a much wider group and not simply terrorists then you should have said so, or you could have said the group referred to (simplistically) as terrorists.

Go back and read it properly, Digby...

Sadly I did read it, and you said 'My personal view is that these names, both Al Qaeda and ISIS, are not used by the terrorists themselves' which quite clearly says you're talking about terrorists, and terrorists comes with some specific meanings.

You might have meant something else, but that's for you to know, others can only go on the words you use.

Right, so you stopped reading at that point, didn't notice that I mentioned these terms were also being used to describe anti-Western imperialism combatants who were not terrorist, then jumped into the debate to tell me terrorists are evil people, which basically missed the point entirely.

[Digby]

This looks like seriously good news:

In yet another bold move in their initial days in office, U.S. President Donald Trump and team have announced their withdrawal from the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership free trade agreement.

Claiming that Trump “understands how critical it is to put American workers and businesses first when it comes to trade,” the statement on the White House’s website promises to bring jobs and economic prosperity by “rejecting and reworking failed trade deals.” Earlier this month, his team also announced they would instead be focusing on more bilateral trade deals.

“This strategy starts by withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and making certain that any new trade deals are in the interests of American workers,” the statement reads, then delivers an ultimatum regarding its commitment to the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement, the neo-liberal wedge used to open up the Mexican market to trade by promising, and failing to deliver, economic prosperity.

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/p ... -from-tpp/

Go back and read it properly, Digby...

Sadly I did read it, and you said 'My personal view is that these names, both Al Qaeda and ISIS, are not used by the terrorists themselves' which quite clearly says you're talking about terrorists, and terrorists comes with some specific meanings.

You might have meant something else, but that's for you to know, others can only go on the words you use.

Right, so you stopped reading at that point, didn't notice that I mentioned these terms were also being used to describe anti-Western imperialism combatants who were not terrorist, then jumped into the debate to tell me terrorists are evil people, which basically missed the point entirely.

Which wold only take one onto another point which is we don't describe someone as a terrorist based on whether they have an anti-Western agenda

Also sad news about the trade deal. Yes Donald is right that trade deals could be more in one's favour, but the point there is others tend to respond in kind and we know that the more open deals tend to be mutually beneficial, and we'd also have to question bigger picture how much we want to stop jobs from being created outside the big western economies, especially if those same economies then complain about people wanting to migrate to them.

[Sandydragon]

So isolationist trade wars are good things?

[Sandydragon]

That Mark Dice guy is a top class twat, Trump train, what a cunt.

That Ashley Judd speech though, WTF is she on? That was barely coherent.

Worlds gone nuts. Comedy gold this.

Is it too early to nominate the White House Press Spokesman for the Comedy Ali prize for self-delusional comments to the media?

[Sandydragon]

Nazi collaborator George Soros behind the "spontaneous" protests in W.D.C.?

http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womeninthewo ... ashington/

Z list actress delivers an epic rant about taxes on tampons at this weekend's protest rally.
.

Soros is an inside trading worm (Trump should love that), but criticising the march as not being spontaneous (i.e. not a riot) is disingenuous, at the very least. Planned Parenthood and The National Resource Defense Council are not exactly red flags for a subversive militia. The march in DC has been open knowledge here for weeks. Of course it was planned. The cops knew about it beforehand, so everything would be smooth-smoothie. What is the problem? Were you bottle fed as a child? I too think the Trump media beat ups are overkill, but shit boi, if you act like a misogynist cunt for decades, please do not be shocked if the 50% of the population you have portrayed as toy things for your pleasure decide to exercise a little freedom of speech upon your initiation to the highest office in the land. It's a good thing. Let's him know they are still here.

If this were being organised against a straight up politician (or a reasonably straight up one) I would be somewhat depressed by the need to protest before anything has actually been done. Yet Trump has no right to act defensively when, as you rightly point out, he has acted the cnut for decades and now is well and truly in the firing line for any activist, media outlet or anyone else who has access to the internet.

What completely surprises me is how thin skinned he is. The issue over less people at the inauguration is a massive implosion over nothing. So what? Most political teams would just shrug that off, thankful that the media was focusing on something pretty irrelevant. Yet the Whitehouse spokesman goes on record to tell the media that they are lying (despite photographic evidence) and the media would be held to account in what can only be described as a rant. If such a non-story causes that level of meltdown, I dread to think what an actual crisis will result in.

[Digby]

So isolationist trade wars are good things?

If one adopts a screamingly simplistic approach and ignores any amount of evidence it would seem so

[J Dory]

I could suck your dick?

You realize that's gone straight into Fausty's wank bank? Won't be hearing from him for a while, he'll be busy making withdrawals.

[morepork]

I could suck your dick?

You realize that's gone straight into Fausty's wank bank? Won't be hearing from him for a while, he'll be busy making withdrawals.

Well he does seem to struggle with the concept of weemin as his equal. Oh to be one of his lucky ladies.

Fausty, If I had met you 40 years ago, you would have been my Number One lady .

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