All Blacks EOYT squad

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Richard Kahui

[rowan]

[rowan]

Cashead, you are a hapless little coward without a brain between your ears.

[rowan]

As I thought The bus will be back

If there is such a thing as an All Black scrapheap, Julian Savea can rest assured he has not been cast upon it.

That was the clear message from All Blacks coaches Steve Hansen and Ian Foster at Monday's announcement of the 37-strong squad to tour north in November – a group that includes six outside backs, but not the 27-year-old, 108kg Wellington wing who has not been required for international duty since being axed following the drawn series against the British and Irish Lions.

Since then, not only has Ben Smith confirmed a sabbatical, but Israel Dagg and Nehe Milner-Skudder have also suffered season-ending injuries to further erode the back-three stocks which were reinforced by the addition of Tasman fullback David Havili mid-Rugby Championship. Now three-test Taranaki utility back Sete Tamanivalu has been recalled for the tour, and North Harbour wing Matt Duffie whistled up for his first All Black appearance.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... son-wisely

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He is a damn sight better informed re: NZ rugby than you are Wowan.

Souldn't you be adding to a thread for the Portuguese Men's 23-26 year olds with three vowels in their surname who were born facing east or something?

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The SHMB's very own Donald Trump.

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There it goes http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... ref=NZH_fb

Warning: May contain inflammatory comment - ie words . . .

Mate, Lomu was sick as a dog and thereafter had one kidney. If you think that qualifies him to belong to a group who weren't considered good enough for the All Blacks after 27 in spite of being otherwise in sound physical health, you're both bonkers. That'S reaching for confirmatory evidence that ... just. isn't. there.

[morepork]

There it goes http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... ref=NZH_fb

Warning: May contain inflammatory comment - ie words . . .

Mate, Lomu was sick as a dog and thereafter had one kidney. If you think that qualifies him to belong to a group who weren't considered good enough for the All Blacks after 27 in spite of being otherwise in sound physical health, you're both bonkers. That'S reaching for confirmatory evidence that ... just. isn't. there.

Methinks the order of events was the other way around...

[rowan]

No meltdown going on at this end. I choose my words carefully. When I arrived on this forum there was a poster with the tag UGagain coming in for the same treatment. Didn't take me long to figure out he was easily the most enlightened poster on this forum and you guys were terrified of him. I abandoned the political forum because I saw the same problem developing, that my views frightened you, and that it really wasn't worth the effort. But it seems my harmless observations elsewhere are now being attacked by those who can neither forgive nor forget the fact someone did not think as they did. That's the epitome of narrow-minded immaturity and cowardice. Time to take a long hard look in the mirror, kiddies.

[rowan]

We'll never know how long Lomu would've stayed good for without the illness, regrettably. Harty misused him at the 99 RWC but he was still at the peak of his powers in his mid-20s, as we saw in that magnificent test against Australia at the turn of the century. Don't remember too much about him after that, as I moved to Spain that year and thereafter began to focus more on the tier 3 stuff than tier 1 - in between World Cups. Campese is probably the best example of an outside back with longevity, though he was a relative lightweight by today's standards and spent the final years of his career getting crunched by NZ's new generation of beefy Pacific Islanders. I still remember his dreadful attempt at tackling Inga the winger one year! But, yes, Campo is probably still regarded as the greatest, and not least because he was a danger man right into his early 30s.

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Bryan Habana.

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Bryan Habana.

Yes, another example. Well done. No giant either, tho.

[scuzzaman]

There it goes http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/ar ... ref=NZH_fb

Warning: May contain inflammatory comment - ie words . . .

Mate, Lomu was sick as a dog and thereafter had one kidney. If you think that qualifies him to belong to a group who weren't considered good enough for the All Blacks after 27 in spite of being otherwise in sound physical health, you're both bonkers. That'S reaching for confirmatory evidence that ... just. isn't. there.

Methinks the order of events was the other way around...

I don't recall the exact details, but he still doesn't belong in that group. He had serious health problems and they didn't.

You could find a group of All Blacks dumped at every or any age and make the same fallacious argument that there was some mysterious condition that tied them all together, apart from the blindingly obvious one that the selectors didn't think they were performing better than someone else ...

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Norm Berryman would have been up there if John Hart wasn't such a latte-drinking Jaffa fanny.

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Norm Berryman would have been up there if John Hart wasn't such a latte-drinking Jaffa fanny.

True dat.

[rowan]

Perhaps if he'd converted to front rower...

Jeff Wilson was another victim of the latte-drinking one, being played out of position in 99 and contributing to the carnage. But he played most of his rugby on the wing, I believe, and almost stuck around till his 30s.

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No meltdown going on at this end. I choose my words carefully. When I arrived on this forum there was a poster with the tag UGagain coming in for the same treatment. Didn't take me long to figure out he was easily the most enlightened poster on this forum and you guys were terrified of him. I abandoned the political forum because I saw the same problem developing, that my views frightened you, and that it really wasn't worth the effort. But it seems my harmless observations elsewhere are now being attacked by those who can neither forgive nor forget the fact someone did not think as they did. That's the epitome of narrow-minded immaturity and cowardice. Time to take a long hard look in the mirror, kiddies.

I won't speak for anyone else, but I liked UG and enjoyed his contribution. I find your contributions less interesting. However your ability to attack other posters while simultaneously playing the victim is something else. The fact that you see yourself as some kind of enlightened messiah is almost funny.

[rowan]

No meltdown going on at this end. I choose my words carefully. When I arrived on this forum there was a poster with the tag UGagain coming in for the same treatment. Didn't take me long to figure out he was easily the most enlightened poster on this forum and you guys were terrified of him. I abandoned the political forum because I saw the same problem developing, that my views frightened you, and that it really wasn't worth the effort. But it seems my harmless observations elsewhere are now being attacked by those who can neither forgive nor forget the fact someone did not think as they did. That's the epitome of narrow-minded immaturity and cowardice. Time to take a long hard look in the mirror, kiddies.

I won't speak for anyone else, but I liked UG and enjoyed his contribution. I find your contributions less interesting. However your ability to attack other posters while simultaneously playing the victim is something else. The fact that you see yourself as some kind of enlightened messiah is almost funny.

No, you're just afraid of what I have to say, coward.

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I guess Tana Umaga has a fairly lengthy career too, though mostly at center. Doug Howlett was another. Was he around in his late 20s?

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Please justify the accusation of cowardice in this context. Inquiring minds wish to know...

[rowan]

We'll never know how long Lomu would've stayed good for without the illness, regrettably. Harty misused him at the 99 RWC but he was still at the peak of his powers in his mid-20s, as we saw in that magnificent test against Australia at the turn of the century. Don't remember too much about him after that, as I moved to Spain that year and thereafter began to focus more on the tier 3 stuff than tier 1 - in between World Cups. Campese is probably the best example of an outside back with longevity, though he was a relative lightweight by today's standards and spent the final years of his career getting crunched by NZ's new generation of beefy Pacific Islanders. I still remember his dreadful attempt at tackling Inga the winger one year! But, yes, Campo is probably still regarded as the greatest, and not least because he was a danger man right into his early 30s.

I guess I saw Campo in his debut test series - against the All Blacks in 82. That was also my first ever trip to the stadium to watch a test match. I was just a kid in short pants but still remember the frightening ease with which the teenaged Aussie sensation left our players clutching at thin air with that audacious goose-step of his. Interesting Australia dominated the Hong Kong 7s in those days, with Campese to the fore. Only Fiji got close, but the green & golds invariably prevailed. Campo played his last test more than 14 years later, shortly after his 34th birthday, and followed it up with a final outing for Australia against the Baabaas at Twickers, scoring in the 39-12 victory and receiving a standing ovation. Legend.

[Puja]

I suspect it may having been "Nothing to soil your diapers about kiddies" line that might've been considered inflammatory, rather than your speculation about the number of players in a touring squad. But that's just a guess.


Don't NZ always use this tour as an opportunity to try out some fringe players anyway? Looking at your schedule, I'm sure there's plenty of room for rotation, especially since you'll be playing a shadow XV vs the Barbarians.

Puja

You mean in response to bitchy remarks about my response to bitchy remarks. & if anyone found "Nothing to soil your diapers about kiddies" offensive in response to bitchy remarks, when contrasted with lighthearted remarks about my own vintage, they really are fragile, juvenile, hypocritical cowards.

Go on, I'll bite. What is the "bitchy remark" which predated the diapers comment?

Puja

Any news on what the "bitchy remark" was that provoked the diapers comment?

Puja

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Pleased to see Duffie get a crack. He was good for the Blues this year, and not bad last year either. We needed a more fullback-style wing to be in the mix. Duffie's excellent under the high ball both on attack and defence, tackles well, and is a pretty good finisher without being a devastating ball runner.

[Doorzetbornandbred]

We'll never know how long Lomu would've stayed good for without the illness, regrettably. Harty misused him at the 99 RWC but he was still at the peak of his powers in his mid-20s, as we saw in that magnificent test against Australia at the turn of the century. Don't remember too much about him after that, as I moved to Spain that year and thereafter began to focus more on the tier 3 stuff than tier 1 - in between World Cups. Campese is probably the best example of an outside back with longevity, though he was a relative lightweight by today's standards and spent the final years of his career getting crunched by NZ's new generation of beefy Pacific Islanders. I still remember his dreadful attempt at tackling Inga the winger one year! But, yes, Campo is probably still regarded as the greatest, and not least because he was a danger man right into his early 30s.

You have some problem with beefy Pacific Islanders? Are you racist by any chance? Lets face it you admit yourself your from an older generation when it was deemed "ok" to not like darkies etc etc

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No, you're the racist and that's the basis of your problem with my posts - I'm not a racist apologist for imperialist war crimes. Beefy is defined as muscular and robust - a compliment in the books of anyone who understands the English language. So it is very clear you are outraged by anyone complimenting Pacific Islanders because you have a racist hatred of them. Rather ironic, also, that you and your ilk spend so much time in denial over the racist crimes of a country whose language you don't even understand properly. Ignorance is the basis of evil.