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Stom wrote:Has Rowan got a new username?

Which Tyler wrote:

L'Historien wrote:The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

Yeah, I wasn't really serious about either the hang-over theory or the not-really-dead.

As for Easter... Yes, there are many derivations of the Germanic god's, there's the British and the Norse for just 2, with many, often subtle differences in there.
However, paganism definitely predates Christianity, and I don't really think you can claim that pagan hijacked the Christian festival for spring; that's... pretty ludicrous TBH.
Whether you call the goddess/celebration Ostara, Ishtar, Eostre, Eastra, Beltain* or whatever, it came first, and is timed based on the cycles of the moon (fertility) and still retains just about all of its imagery (other than crosses) from paganism.

All religions borrow stuff from other religions/traditions - including things like the great flood and the resurrection myth (I don't remember if that was a Sumerian or Egyptian original, but both had it IIRC)

* More accurately related to May Day and virgins dancing around a phallus; but I have seen it conflated with Easter as well.

belgarion wrote: Which Christians got wrong anyway. research has shown that the Romans more than likely used an 'X' shaped cross & not the Vertical support/Horizontal bar as is used for the crucifix. This is further corroborated by the decoration of the shields carried by the legionaries of Constantine

Stom wrote:Has Rowan got a new username?

Which Tyler wrote:

belgarion wrote: Which Christians got wrong anyway. research has shown that the Romans more than likely used an 'X' shaped cross & not the Vertical support/Horizontal bar as is used for the crucifix. This is further corroborated by the decoration of the shields carried by the legionaries of Constantine

Didn't know that, but it makes sense, much better structural support, and probably easier to make.

Of course, I now have to go verify this

Which Tyler wrote:

L'Historien wrote:The Romans were thorough in their methods of execution, crucifixion and a spear through the ribs can be reasonably considered fatal.
Laid out for a day? Says 3 days in the tomb, so again, if amazingly not dead to start with, sepsis, dehydration etc etc will have done the job by then
Easter? There’s more than one derivation for the word. Bede (7th century) has one, another relates it a a Teutonic word for dawn and your reference appears to relate to an Anglo-Saxon derivation. Of course, they came many centuries after the beginning of the paschal celebrations and after Christianity was brought to these islands. Also, it’s a worldwide feast and the name usually connects to the Passover. It seems more likely the takeover came the other way- the fertility feast latching onto the important Christian feast. Whereas Christmas seems to clearly sit on pagan festivals.

Yeah, I wasn't really serious about either the hang-over theory or the not-really-dead.

As for Easter... Yes, there are many derivations of the Germanic god's, there's the British and the Norse for just 2, with many, often subtle differences in there.
However, paganism definitely predates Christianity, and I don't really think you can claim that pagan hijacked the Christian festival for spring; that's... pretty ludicrous TBH.
Whether you call the goddess/celebration Ostara, Ishtar, Eostre, Eastra, Beltain* or whatever, it came first, and is timed based on the cycles of the moon (fertility) and still retains just about all of its imagery (other than crosses) from paganism.

All religions borrow stuff from other religions/traditions - including things like the great flood and the resurrection myth (I don't remember if that was a Sumerian or Egyptian original, but both had it IIRC)

* More accurately related to May Day and virgins dancing around a phallus; but I have seen it conflated with Easter as well.

Mellsblue wrote:Farking hell. I think I might go back to discussing ring fencing with Which.

p/d wrote:I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

p/d wrote:I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

Banquo wrote:

p/d wrote:I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

the old DFS defence

p/d wrote:I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

kk67 wrote:

p/d wrote:I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

He was a bit of a sofa...... but a sofa with an intelligent offload.
Only Launch does that stuff now.

Digby wrote:

kk67 wrote:

p/d wrote:I find it all quite enlightening. Always assumed Easter was simply an opportunity to purchase a cheap sofa

He was a bit of a sofa...... but a sofa with an intelligent offload.
Only Launch does that stuff now.

Finally we're in agreement, Easter was a sofa, without doubt a La-Z Boy

Puja wrote:It's been a long time since I've thought about going to Courts about a settee.

Puja

Mikey Brown wrote:

Puja wrote:It's been a long time since I've thought about going to Courts about a settee.

Puja

I don't think I've ever seen that word written down before.

Is that an accepted spelling? I don't know how else you'd do it.