RugbyRebels

As two of our best players I’ve always thought of them as nailed on starters. I’m all for keeping the more dynamic player on the bench if it’s a 50/50 call but if a player is clearly superior to their rival for the shirt, which the Vunipolas are, then you start them regardless.

When at their best best I agree. Mako looks tired but that's not unusual and he was immense in the final so maybe just a coaching issue. Billy owes us a big one as he was anonymous last week and needs a bit of form. I'd happily play them of the bench with a 20-30 minutes plan to cause mayhem. Without Genge and Hepburn it's irrelevant as I've no idea what form Marlers in other than quins are shit.

pandion wrote:When at their best best I agree. Mako looks tired but that's not unusual and he was immense in the final so maybe just a coaching issue. Billy owes us a big one as he was anonymous last week and needs a bit of form. I'd happily play them of the bench with a 20-30 minutes plan to cause mayhem. Without Genge and Hepburn it's irrelevant as I've no idea what form Marlers in other than quins are shit.

lol.

pandion wrote:When at their best best I agree. Mako looks tired but that's not unusual and he was immense in the final so maybe just a coaching issue. Billy owes us a big one as he was anonymous last week and needs a bit of form. I'd happily play them of the bench with a 20-30 minutes plan to cause mayhem. Without Genge and Hepburn it's irrelevant as I've no idea what form Marlers in other than quins are shit.

slightly at odds with 'always tended to think mako and billy are better impact subs'

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote:When at their best best I agree. Mako looks tired but that's not unusual and he was immense in the final so maybe just a coaching issue. Billy owes us a big one as he was anonymous last week and needs a bit of form. I'd happily play them of the bench with a 20-30 minutes plan to cause mayhem. Without Genge and Hepburn it's irrelevant as I've no idea what form Marlers in other than quins are shit.

slightly at odds with 'always tended to think mako and billy are better impact subs'

Not really. I don't think either are 80 minute players so it's when their most effective. I feel the same about Sink, his workrate over set peice is more damaging late on.

pandion wrote:

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote:When at their best best I agree. Mako looks tired but that's not unusual and he was immense in the final so maybe just a coaching issue. Billy owes us a big one as he was anonymous last week and needs a bit of form. I'd happily play them of the bench with a 20-30 minutes plan to cause mayhem. Without Genge and Hepburn it's irrelevant as I've no idea what form Marlers in other than quins are shit.

slightly at odds with 'always tended to think mako and billy are better impact subs'

Not really. I don't think either are 80 minute players so it's when their most effective. I feel the same about Sink, his workrate over set peice is more damaging late on.

You agreed that at their best they are nailed on starters, perhaps you didn't mean to. Not many forwards are 80 minuters these days, virtually no props, and Billy needs to do the damage up front in a game.

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote:

Banquo wrote: slightly at odds with 'always tended to think mako and billy are better impact subs'

Not really. I don't think either are 80 minute players so it's when their most effective. I feel the same about Sink, his workrate over set peice is more damaging late on.

You agreed that at their best they are nailed on starters, perhaps you didn't mean to. Not many forwards are 80 minuters these days, virtually no props, and Billy needs to do the damage up front in a game.

Yeah I'd bring him on at fullback with 20mins left

pandion wrote:

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote: Not really. I don't think either are 80 minute players so it's when their most effective. I feel the same about Sink, his workrate over set peice is more damaging late on.

You agreed that at their best they are nailed on starters, perhaps you didn't mean to. Not many forwards are 80 minuters these days, virtually no props, and Billy needs to do the damage up front in a game.

Yeah I'd bring him on at fullback with 20mins left

I'm assuming you did actually know what I meant.

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote:

Banquo wrote: You agreed that at their best they are nailed on starters, perhaps you didn't mean to. Not many forwards are 80 minuters these days, virtually no props, and Billy needs to do the damage up front in a game.

Yeah I'd bring him on at fullback with 20mins left

I'm assuming you did actually know what I meant.

So am i. I guess we can both interpret things literally

pandion wrote:

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote: Yeah I'd bring him on at fullback with 20mins left

I'm assuming you did actually know what I meant.

So am i. I guess we can both interpret things literally

Well you made a statement that you directly contradicted- not sure that's interpretation really.

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote:

Banquo wrote: I'm assuming you did actually know what I meant.

So am i. I guess we can both interpret things literally

Well you made a statement that you directly contradicted- not sure that's interpretation really.

Yeah and explained why and my reasoning but you crack on mate.

I’m giving this thread a 3.

Out of 10, to be clear.

pandion wrote:

Banquo wrote:

pandion wrote: So am i. I guess we can both interpret things literally

Well you made a statement that you directly contradicted- not sure that's interpretation really.

Yeah and explained why and my reasoning but you crack on mate.

will do.

Mikey Brown wrote:Out of 10, to be clear.

Nah. This is a definite 4/7.

Stom wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Out of 10, to be clear.

Nah. This is a definite 4/7.

6.5

Banquo wrote:

Stom wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Out of 10, to be clear.

Nah. This is a definite 4/7.

6.5

Sooooo last year. It’s all about 5.5’s now.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Stom wrote:
Nah. This is a definite 4/7.

6.5

Sooooo last year. It’s all about 5.5’s now.

and 12.5's

and (11+15)/2 = 13's

Is that why Wasps have been playing him there all this time? Caught between wing and fullback?