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switchskier wrote:Rennie's about to take the Australian job isn't he?

Supposedly. Though I imagine that was predicated on the AB's winning, or at least, making the final. They've failed there, so it should be open season for the HC role.

EDIT: Of the other contenders, Schmidt's absence from 2020 (assuming it remains) would be deemed too tricky. Gatland is at the Chiefs, but could easily be upgraded I suppose. Cotter seems to have accepted he won't get it. Robinson is both probably too green and doesn't satisfy the requirement of having international HC experience. I believe Joseph has signed an extension with Japan (?).

Think that's all of the realistic HC candidates?

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Why do you keep running into touch? I cannot understand it.

Owens let the English backline play offside all night to the point where they might as well have been running around behind the All Blacks goalposts with the reserves. It put the All Blacks attack under pressure, naturally, and forced them towards the touchline, where the English defence could easily just shove them into touch. And with Itoje playing the way he did, they had no worries about retaining ball there.

Farrell also played the ref with his blatant dive from Whitelock's retaliation. Why this wasn't penalised, I'd say is anyone's guess, but we all know that Farrell is protected.



And that should have been at least a penalty to Slade, if not a penalty try and a yellow. You know the one I'm talking about. Fuck that shit.

The grapes have turned sour!

francoisfou wrote:The grapes have turned sour!

So would there be no discussion of it if the roles were reversed?

cashead wrote:

francoisfou wrote:The grapes have turned sour!

So would there be no discussion of it if the roles were reversed?

Surely not! and may the banter continue!

francoisfou wrote:

cashead wrote:

francoisfou wrote:The grapes have turned sour!

So would there be no discussion of it if the roles were reversed?

Surely not! and may the banter continue!

No, we'd never hear the end of it.

England outplayed the All Blacks in pretty much every facet, and if they had saved their best performance for the last 4 years for the quarters, they sure as shit brought their worst fucking performance out tonight, but England were absolutely allowed by Owens to spend almost the entire game offside, and Slade should have been penalised at least.

I couldn't undertsand why Youngs' try was disallowed. Offside? The ball seemed to "slide" from one player to another.

Yeah, the Blacks were below par but were endlessly hassled by English tackling. The entire match offside? Dunno, but they played the ref well and won the spoils.

Agree about Owens' terrible reffing performance - the All Blacks were allowed to pass the ball forwards the whole game. A shocker.

Spiffy wrote:Agree about Owens' terrible reffing performance - the All Blacks were allowed to pass the ball forwards the whole game. A shocker.

Nige does like to keep the game flowing but the forward passes were a bit of an ongoing joke all game.

Spiffy wrote:Agree about Owens' terrible reffing performance - the All Blacks were allowed to pass the ball forwards the whole game. A shocker.

Haha. Very good.

francoisfou wrote:The grapes have turned sour!

Hehe.

Smashed. Utterly outplayed. Well done England.

Spy wrote:Smashed. Utterly outplayed. Well done England.

Good man. A year of building up to revenge....see you 7/11/20. It’ll be a cracker.

Lizard wrote:Ah well. Nice to let someone else have a go for a change.

I really Hope England don’t win the whole thing though - it would be unbearable. I’d prefer Wales (unlikely) but even the Boks would be better than England.

Mind you, bit of a damp squib if the 100th All Blacks v Springboks test is a bloody bronze final.

Tell me about it! I've already had the daughter's in-laws round whanging on about it! If I was a believer, I just might have to ask all you Kiwis to pray for me!

cashead wrote:And that should have been at least a penalty to Slade, if not a penalty try and a yellow. You know the one I'm talking about. Fuck that shit.

Haha. Jesus Christ. You really have outdone yourself there.

Mikey Brown wrote:

cashead wrote:And that should have been at least a penalty to Slade, if not a penalty try and a yellow. You know the one I'm talking about. Fuck that shit.

Haha. Jesus Christ. You really have outdone yourself there.

Is the tackle from Slade that put yet another Kiwi carrier into touch? If so that's a quality rant

cashead wrote:

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Why do you keep running into touch? I cannot understand it.

Owens let the English backline play offside all night to the point where they might as well have been running around behind the All Blacks goalposts with the reserves. It put the All Blacks attack under pressure, naturally, and forced them towards the touchline, where the English defence could easily just shove them into touch. And with Itoje playing the way he did, they had no worries about retaining ball there.

Farrell also played the ref with his blatant dive from Whitelock's retaliation. Why this wasn't penalised, I'd say is anyone's guess, but we all know that Farrell is protected.



And that should have been at least a penalty to Slade, if not a penalty try and a yellow. You know the one I'm talking about. Fuck that shit.

Oh Please.

The New Zealand rugby team have had the ear of refs for 50 odd years. You guys would just trot something out about playing to the ref. We had to suck up McCaw being offside at the base and countless years of lazy runners ambling back onside between the half backs. Lets not even go there about being allowed to forward pass.

cashead wrote:And that should have been at least a penalty to Slade, if not a penalty try and a yellow. You know the one I'm talking about. Fuck that shit.

Us pushing the offside line, I will give you, but this is utterly bizarre. The first contact was by Slade's outstretched arm - how on earth could that possibly have been a penalty, let alone a yellow? And as for penalty try, do you not think the fact that he was already being tackled low by another Englishman might have had an influence on the discussion that a try would definitely have been scored without Slade's input?

I appreciate the urge to nitpick the ref after losing a game that hurt - gods knows I've had enough experience across the last 16 years - but you can't genuinely say Nige cost you that game, especially when he gave you two final last warnings for yellow cards and only gave a penalty for a deliberate open hand strike to the head. He was iffy all around, as Nige often is, and both sides could reasonably complain that he screwed them - the truth is that he balanced out and didn't change the result.

Puja

Partly agree Puja.
Nige always lets the tackle area be a free for all. Some refs would have blown England off the park today. However, that didn’t effect the result. What did was NZ refusing to adjust and put more bodies into the rucks and fight fire with fire.

Just a penalty for open hand strike however is bull. Honestly that was some football worthy fake injury rot from Farrell. Oh, a hand lightly pushed me, I’ll fake an injury until the tele ref notices and looks in slowmo to see if it looks like a penalty.

England smashed us today. That is what counts.

Puja wrote:

cashead wrote:And that should have been at least a penalty to Slade, if not a penalty try and a yellow. You know the one I'm talking about. Fuck that shit.

Us pushing the offside line, I will give you, but this is utterly bizarre. The first contact was by Slade's outstretched arm - how on earth could that possibly have been a penalty, let alone a yellow? And as for penalty try, do you not think the fact that he was already being tackled low by another Englishman might have had an influence on the discussion that a try would definitely have been scored without Slade's input?

I appreciate the urge to nitpick the ref after losing a game that hurt - gods knows I've had enough experience across the last 16 years - but you can't genuinely say Nige cost you that game, especially when he gave you two final last warnings for yellow cards and only gave a penalty for a deliberate open hand strike to the head. He was iffy all around, as Nige often is, and both sides could reasonably complain that he screwed them - the truth is that he balanced out and didn't change the result.

Puja

Tru Say, Tru Say.

Slade attempted to wrap his arm. Clearly.

You would be better off pointing out Faz's dropped shoulder in the 2nd quarter after he was injured - You might want to look at citing that one.

canta_brian wrote:Partly agree Puja.
Nige always lets the tackle area be a free for all. Some refs would have blown England off the park today. However, that didn’t effect the result. What did was NZ refusing to adjust and put more bodies into the rucks and fight fire with fire.

Just a penalty for open hand strike however is bull. Honestly that was some football worthy fake injury rot from Farrell. Oh, a hand lightly pushed me, I’ll fake an injury until the tele ref notices and looks in slowmo to see if it looks like a penalty.

England smashed us today. That is what counts.

I don't think refs would have blown us off the pitch. Nige caught Rettalick coming in from the side - we weren't doing that.

Never, ever saw an All Blacks team not able to score like that. Only chance you got was the line out fuck up. Never at the races. Which is why in the UK we are finding it such an event.

I will echo my countrymen that because of history and the excellence of your team's ability - we didn't feel comfortable until the 78th minute.

England got away with plenty and yes farrell took a dive but whitelock has been rubbing fellas noses in it for years no harm to see him get some of his own today.

Ye missed franks ability to cheat successfully today and laumape to bring some physicality in hindsight beauden at 10 and smith at 15 was a better option, still forwards were smashed and not sure ye had any answers there in selection terms?

That was an old fashioned good hard jobbing.

morepork wrote:That was an old fashioned good hard jobbing.

Feck the minute by minute breakdown. This is the in-depth analysis I’m looking for.