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Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:30 am
by FKAS
Puja wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:11 am
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:18 am
Would have helped Tigers if Steward had been given a new deal as his contract is up for renewal this year. As there's a limited number of contracts to hand out I think it's a good idea not to be handing out deals to depth options or older guys like Cole and Marler who you are expecting to be pushed out of the squad by younger options in the next 12 months.
If his agent's got half a brain, they'll spend the next 3 months flogging him to every French club going - not because he actually intends to go, but to drum up enough noise and fear to get him the 18th contract to keep him in the country.
Puja
I think Steward got a decent contract last time out because Chiefs were interested and his agent leaked that to every journalist going to get him a good deal at Tigers. If Steward has any brains he'll bin off his agent, keep the 10% or whatever the cut is and just sign a three year deal at Tigers on what he was on last time out plus a small uplift for "inflation".
Keeps playing like he is and the England contract will come.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:36 am
by Banquo
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:18 am
Would have helped Tigers if Steward had been given a new deal as his contract is up for renewal this year. As there's a limited number of contracts to hand out I think it's a good idea not to be handing out deals to depth options or older guys like Cole and Marler who you are expecting to be pushed out of the squad by younger options in the next 12 months.
I think Stuart, Baxter and JvP are all a touch unlucky. JvP yeah is another depth pick but pre injury he was England's go to 9 and is still only 23 and now a vice captain at his club and back in form. Seems a reasonable horse to bet on. Similar with Baxter it would be a depth pick but let's keep the obvious future of England's loosehead position tied down, the kid has got it.
Agreed on not giving contracts to ancient props, my point being that’s it’s a concern there aren’t yet any props outside Genge in their prime that we can contract.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:43 am
by Puja
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:36 am
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:18 am
Would have helped Tigers if Steward had been given a new deal as his contract is up for renewal this year. As there's a limited number of contracts to hand out I think it's a good idea not to be handing out deals to depth options or older guys like Cole and Marler who you are expecting to be pushed out of the squad by younger options in the next 12 months.
I think Stuart, Baxter and JvP are all a touch unlucky. JvP yeah is another depth pick but pre injury he was England's go to 9 and is still only 23 and now a vice captain at his club and back in form. Seems a reasonable horse to bet on. Similar with Baxter it would be a depth pick but let's keep the obvious future of England's loosehead position tied down, the kid has got it.
Agreed on not giving contracts to ancient props, my point being that’s it’s a concern there aren’t yet any props outside Genge in their prime that we can contract.
Frankly, given that the (alleged) whole point of these contracts is to guide players development and make sure their game-time is managed for long-term benefit, I'm astounded that they haven't given them to AOF, and Fasogbon. Even if it's only a 1 year contract, surely England want a voice in the room making sure those two aren't run into the ground?
Puja
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:09 am
by Banquo
Puja wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:43 am
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:36 am
FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:18 am
Would have helped Tigers if Steward had been given a new deal as his contract is up for renewal this year. As there's a limited number of contracts to hand out I think it's a good idea not to be handing out deals to depth options or older guys like Cole and Marler who you are expecting to be pushed out of the squad by younger options in the next 12 months.
I think Stuart, Baxter and JvP are all a touch unlucky. JvP yeah is another depth pick but pre injury he was England's go to 9 and is still only 23 and now a vice captain at his club and back in form. Seems a reasonable horse to bet on. Similar with Baxter it would be a depth pick but let's keep the obvious future of England's loosehead position tied down, the kid has got it.
Agreed on not giving contracts to ancient props, my point being that’s it’s a concern there aren’t yet any props outside Genge in their prime that we can contract.
Frankly, given that the (alleged) whole point of these contracts is to guide players development and make sure their game-time is managed for long-term benefit, I'm astounded that they haven't given them to AOF, and Fasogbon. Even if it's only a 1 year contract, surely England want a voice in the room making sure those two aren't run into the ground?
Puja
Another angle on why it’s a bit odd. Slade doesn’t need one either
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 11:46 am
by Which Tyler
Puja wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:43 am
Frankly, given that the (alleged) whole point of these contracts is to guide players development and make sure their game-time is managed for long-term benefit, I'm astounded that they haven't given them to AOF, and Fasogbon. Even if it's only a 1 year contract, surely England want a voice in the room making sure those two aren't run into the ground?
Excellent point.
On Steward, I'm still trying to square the circle here, of "don't give contracts to depth picks" alongside "do give a contract to Steward, who's not starting, and not going to make any benches"
Also worth remembering that we've been told a few times that players won't have their feet held to the fire over contracts, which pay less than PAYG match fees. We always expected a number of players to decline, we just didn't have a clue what that number would be.
From a Bath perspective, Underhill is the one I'm disappointed in not getting a contract. He starts when fit, and needs his playing time managed. Of course, he may be one who declined, but if so, I'd say that was a poor decision.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:50 am
by Scrumhead
Tom Willis with another imperious display. How is he not in the England squad?
I would have thought his style of play would be irresistible to Borthwick.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:31 pm
by p/d
Stonking player. Everything about his play points to being a menace at test level.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:27 am
by Banquo
Marler has retired again
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:15 pm
by Mellsblue
I do wonder if the RFU are holding Dan Cole hostage.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 12:42 pm
by Mikey Brown
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:27 am
Marler has retired again
Unsurprising. Doesn’t help himself at times, but overall a great career. Probably about time, with a good few younger and more dynamic props about, and I’m sure he’ll continue to be great for Baxter’s progress.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:03 pm
by Mr Mwenda
Yes, he did his bit but I do think it's good now to move on from the carry on that he often attracts.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:30 pm
by jimKRFC
Bristol sign Oscar Lennon as short term injury cover (Wolstenholme has done his knee). Nice to have him back, always liked like he could have challenged Uren/Randell.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:49 pm
by Banquo
jimKRFC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:30 pm
Bristol sign Oscar Lennon as short term injury cover (Wolstenholme has done his knee). Nice to have him back, always liked like he could have challenged Uren/Randell.
Sam Edwards is a good un
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:31 pm
by jimKRFC
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:49 pm
jimKRFC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:30 pm
Bristol sign Oscar Lennon as short term injury cover (Wolstenholme has done his knee). Nice to have him back, always liked like he could have challenged Uren/Randell.
Sam Edwards is a good un
With Randell away and now Wolstenholme injured we only Sam left..
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:00 pm
by Danno
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... gz2v5nz5qo
Ted Hill binned, Ewels and AOF called up.
I fail to see the logic in any of this.
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:05 pm
by FKAS
jimKRFC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:31 pm
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:49 pm
jimKRFC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:30 pm
Bristol sign Oscar Lennon as short term injury cover (Wolstenholme has done his knee). Nice to have him back, always liked like he could have challenged Uren/Randell.
Sam Edwards is a good un
With Randell away and now Wolstenholme injured we only Sam left..
Marmion?
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:50 pm
by jimKRFC
FKAS wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 8:05 pm
jimKRFC wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:31 pm
Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:49 pm
Sam Edwards is a good un
With Randell away and now Wolstenholme injured we only Sam left..
Marmion?
Oops...
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 9:33 pm
by Banquo
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:22 pm
by Mr Mwenda
There's surely some excellent stats records on the line now!
Re: New and Improved EPS Watch/Player Form Thread
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 12:45 pm
by FKAS
Mr Mwenda wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 11:22 pm
There's surely some excellent stats records on the line now!
If AOF and Dan Cole come on together will that be the biggest age gap between two props at international level? 17 years, Dan's nearly old enough to be his dad.