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Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:If you look closely you can see the remnants of UK politics in the bottom left hand corner. It’s pretty banged up, but there’s definitely a bit of rose garden and Cool Britannia in there.

I beg your pardon

Come on. Don’t tell me you don’t look back at the coalition and early Blair with just a little bit of a wistful smile about how it once was. You must remember those days, when drinking snowballs wasn’t socially awkward and UK politics was a far calmer and more pleasant and optimistic place.

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:If you look closely you can see the remnants of UK politics in the bottom left hand corner. It’s pretty banged up, but there’s definitely a bit of rose garden and Cool Britannia in there.

I beg your pardon

Come on. Don’t tell me you don’t look back at the coalition and early Blair with just a little bit of a wistful smile about how it once was. You must remember those days, when drinking snowballs wasn’t socially awkward and UK politics was a far calmer and more pleasant and optimistic place.

There's got to be a little rain sometimes

Ah but still waters run deep.

You know what I'm talking about

Now who is going off topic?!?!

Mellsblue wrote:Now who is going off topic?!?!

Meh, in one day you went from it's not extreme to mushroom clouds, after trying to keep up with that we're entitled to a little light relief. And it's a favourite song of Banquo on the off chance he's still floating around

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Now who is going off topic?!?!

Meh, in one day you went from it's not extreme to mushroom clouds, after trying to keep up with that we're entitled to a little light relief. And it's a favourite song of Banquo on the off chance he's still floating around

Nope. I said it was not extreme in the context of Leave’s campaign but was financially extreme. The mushroom cloud was in reference the state of UK politics in general, not just the Brexit vortex.
Hopefully, your aside will warm up Banquo ready for his return in time for the AIs.

58 pages and you guys haven't got any solid answers or solutions?

Did you not see the exchange that Brexit means Brexit, and Brexit means a red, white and blue Brexit. Not sure how much more detail you want.

Mellsblue wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:58 pages and you guys haven't got any solid answers or solutions?

Did you not see the exchange that Brexit means Brexit, and Brexit means a red, white and blue Brexit. Not sure how much more detail you want.

Frankly, I think he's talking down Britain just by questioning it.

And what's with this "you guys", Scots boy? You're mired in this with us - we haven't released you yet.

Puja

Mikey Brown wrote:58 pages and you guys haven't got any solid answers or solutions?

This simply isn't true, at work we continually direct investment we'd previously have considered making in the UK outside the country. It's hard to argue that's not a solution

Mellsblue wrote:Did you not see the exchange that Brexit means Brexit, and Brexit means a red, white and blue Brexit. Not sure how much more detail you want.

I just want my free speedboat/Ferrari like all the immigrants get.

Mikey Brown wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Did you not see the exchange that Brexit means Brexit, and Brexit means a red, white and blue Brexit. Not sure how much more detail you want.

I just want my free speedboat/Ferrari like all the immigrants get.

I assume the Ferrari will be red. Should the speedboat be white, blue or a combination of both?

It’s not about colour. I never even mentioned colour. Don’t put words in my mouth.

"Britain is drawing up plans to charter ships to bring in emergency food and medicines in the event of a “no-deal” Brexit next March, in a move greeted with disbelief at a stormy meeting of cabinet on today"

Ok, this nonsense has got to stop. I keep expecting a Monty Python character to turn up and announce that its just got a bit too silly.

Problem is do we have any sensible people around to steer us out of this madness?

The NAO says we're fecked in the event of no deal or a limited deal, though it's not all bad news as criminals should do well

fivepointer wrote:"Britain is drawing up plans to charter ships to bring in emergency food and medicines in the event of a “no-deal” Brexit next March, in a move greeted with disbelief at a stormy meeting of cabinet on today"

Ok, this nonsense has got to stop. I keep expecting a Monty Python character to turn up and announce that its just got a bit too silly.

Problem is do we have any sensible people around to steer us out of this madness?

At this point, the reintroduction of rationing wouldn’t surprise me.

If in all seriousness the basic provisions for life cannot be delivered post Brexit then hit the fricking pause button now and come back when they can be. If some civil servant is concerned that imports of food and medicine cannot be managed once we leave the EU then that person is either playing project fear (sack em there’s enough bullshit already) or there is a genuine problem that needs addressing and we cannot leave the EU if the result is an immediate national emergency.

I strongly suspect that this isn't true, but still...

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I strongly suspect that this isn't true, but still...

Well, Aberdeen voted in and now they're all (1) mad.

Russia joins the list of countries registering issues with our future WTO obligations. And there's lots of chat in Whitehall that Trump wants anti China clauses in any future deal with us

Just a massive mess which looks like it's only getting worse

http://www.cityam.com/267128/members-bl ... entry-into

I'm off to calmly bang my head against a wall until the pain goes away

Which Tyler wrote:

Oakboy wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: What has the EU’s status in the world got to do whether we should pay, or whether France would. If you owe a debt, if you want credit in the future and you want to form financial and trading relationships in the future, you just can’t default. What FACTS make you think the French wouldn’t pay?

Facts such as their refusal to bother obeying EU law so often in the past. Status affects credit. I doubt we'd have much bother in the future if we just sat back and waited for the EU to prove the debts and attempt to get us to settle.

Any facts where France refused to obey EU law AND refused to pay the fine?
I'll help you out here, there are zero examples of this. Your theory is pure bollocks I'm afraid

I loved your earlier post about the eggs and cake WT. I'd started characterizing it in a rugby setting last week.

' I'm not paying subs anymore but I want to keep playing for the club, getting free stash and drinking cheap booze in the clubhouse'.
'Errr...no. You can't do that'
'Oh, come on. Why not..?'.

International Trade Secretary Liam Fox said his plan to quickly normalize the U.K.’s World Trade Organization commitments had failed, forcing the government to enter into what will likely be lengthy negotiations with other members on basic terms of trade after Brexit.

It’s a significant blow to the U.K., which was proposing to replicate the European Union’s current WTO trade terms after it leaves the bloc. Without certified WTO commitments on market access and tariffs, it’s still possible for the U.K. to trade but could make it more difficult to strike new trade deals -- which are a key rallying cry among Brexit supporters.
In a written statement to Parliament Thursday, Fox said several WTO members “expressed reservations” about the U.K.’s plan to copy-and-paste the EU’s international trade commitments. His letter didn’t specify which countries opposed the approach or include the justification for their objections.

“This was expected and does not impact our ability to trade independently,” a spokesman for the U.K.’s department of trade said in an emailed statement. “The terms we have set out will form the basis of our trade policy while we engage with our WTO partners to address their concerns.”

This month, the U.S., New Zealand and more than a dozen major agricultural exporters said they opposed the U.K.’s approach, which called for Britain and the EU to split their current tariff rate quota commitments that set import limits on sensitive goods such as beef, lamb and sugar.

The opposing countries said that would harm their ability to sell goods to Europe.

Fox said the U.K. will now pursue a modification of its WTO commitments under Article 28 of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade -- which can be a laborious and lengthy process that could delay for years the U.K.’s ability to have a certified set of WTO commitments.

“This is uncharted territory for them,” New Zealand Trade Minister David Parker said in an interview on the sidelines of a WTO ministerial meeting in Ottawa, adding that it was the right decision for the U.K. to invoke the Article 28 process. “We’ll engage in that to protect our interests. We are confident it will have a fair outcome given the undertakings that have already been made by Liam Fox. No one should be worse off as a consequence.”

Though the U.K. is a WTO member in its own right, its schedule of concessions -- which reflect tariff commitments and terms relating to trade in goods and services -- are established in the European Communities’ schedule.

Seems extraordinary that after his travels (travails) with his 'best chum' Mr.Werrity, that Dr. Foxy is still considered a worthy negotiator.
Next up the return of Preeti Patel.

As with the use of NDAs by Philip Green it would seem the department of health is also abusing such agreements by asking any drug companies wanting to discuss no deal planning to sign confidentiality papers ahead of any discussion.

Now there might be some merit to some aspects of the discussions remaining private, but governments do like to avoid people laughing at their work on a national scale. And when we see attempts such as this or gagging charities that receive government funding we do have to consider very seriously if in the bigger picture we're not seeing government avoiding truth being spoken to power to save immediate embarrassment at the cost of long term poorer policy decisions