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Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:29 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
BTW in that same conference Cockerill praised McCallum's performances and potential but claimed he is not ready for test rugby. Is he on the money or is he just trying to influence proceedings so that he has options available during the 6N?

I'd pick McCallum over Berghan in a heartbeat. So it's an interesting one.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:38 pm
by OptimisticJock
I think he's probably right but it might be irrelevant. I also agree with you.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:40 pm
by Big D
I'd be very careful of throwing McCallum on too early. Fagerson was probably thrown in a year too early too.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:24 pm
by ARM
Big D wrote:I'd be very careful of throwing McCallum on too early. Fagerson was probably thrown in a year too early too.
Yep. Of course its too soon for McCallum. Just as it was for Fagerson who was pressed into action at a very young age due to our complete shortage of TH options. McCallum has hardly played any pro rugby. Just because Berghan is a bit shit doesn't make McCallum the answer. He's only being talked about due to the current Propageddon. I recall McCallum being a prop on wheels for the U20s a couple of years ago - don't get me wrong I'm far from writing him off - just he has a lot of developng to do. Circumstances may dictate otherwise..

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:57 pm
by switchskier
Thing is, McCallum may actually be better than Berghan now. If the team genuinely believes that it has a shot at the 6N title don't they have to live in the now and select the best 23? He may be a better prop in 12 months time but by then Russell may be cricked from being overplayed in France, Price has lost form, the Scottish knee fairy has struck and ?Hogg has gotten himself suspended, or something...

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:01 pm
by OptimisticJock
ARM wrote:[ Just because Berghan is a bit shit doesn't make McCallum the answer.
Well if the question is "we're down to Berghan or McCallum who do we call up?" The answer is definitely McCallum.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:55 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Berghan is not a "bit shit" - he is genuinely awful.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:09 am
by ARM
OptimisticJock wrote:
ARM wrote:[ Just because Berghan is a bit shit doesn't make McCallum the answer.
Well if the question is "we're down to Berghan or McCallum who do we call up?" The answer is definitely McCallum.
Some position we’re in - arguing over who is the least worst answer.

Berghan has looked quite useful in the Pro14 for a couple of seasons now but he gets his arse handed to him in Tests. Suspect same would happen to McCallum. But then again - I thought Marfo would get crushed so WTF do I know

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:12 am
by ARM
switchskier wrote:Thing is, McCallum may actually be better than Berghan now. If the team genuinely believes that it has a shot at the 6N title don't they have to live in the now and select the best 23? He may be a better prop in 12 months time but by then Russell may be cricked from being overplayed in France, Price has lost form, the Scottish knee fairy has struck and ?Hogg has gotten himself suspended, or something...
Still far too lightweight a team to have a shot at the 6N. 3 wins would be a real accomplishment. I think we’ll get 2.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:47 am
by Chunks Baws
ARM wrote:
switchskier wrote:Thing is, McCallum may actually be better than Berghan now. If the team genuinely believes that it has a shot at the 6N title don't they have to live in the now and select the best 23? He may be a better prop in 12 months time but by then Russell may be cricked from being overplayed in France, Price has lost form, the Scottish knee fairy has struck and ?Hogg has gotten himself suspended, or something...
Still far too lightweight a team to have a shot at the 6N. 3 wins would be a real accomplishment. I think we’ll get 2.
France and Italy?

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:06 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
Ireland
England
France
Wales
Italy

Fixtures in order of difficulty IMO. As with any 6N winning the first fixture is key to creating momentum. The game in Cardiff will be huge.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:15 am
by Chunks Baws
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Ireland
England
France
Wales
Italy

Fixtures in order of difficulty IMO. As with any 6N winning the first fixture is key to creating momentum. The game in Cardiff will be huge.
True. And I have a horrible feeling we're going to make a complete cunt of it.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:01 pm
by General Zod
Chunks Baws wrote:
hugh_woatmeigh wrote: The game in Cardiff will be huge.
True. And I have a horrible feeling we're going to make a complete cunt of it.
Me too. However, come the anthem time, I’ll be of completely the opposite opinion, as per.

Also, £85 a ticket! Bloody hell!

Re: RE: Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:13 pm
by Big D
General Zod wrote:
Chunks Baws wrote:
hugh_woatmeigh wrote: The game in Cardiff will be huge.
True. And I have a horrible feeling we're going to make a complete cunt of it.
Me too. However, come the anthem time, I’ll be of completely the opposite opinion, as per.

Also, £85 a ticket! Bloody hell!
When we went to the Ireland game when we beat them in Croke Park it was 83 euro which was about 65quid back then. Mental prices.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:29 pm
by whatisthejava
A whole pile of us going to Cardiff for the game but the closer we get I think they will get the rub of the green and we will go to sleep for a Liam Williams try

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:36 pm
by Chunks Baws
General Zod wrote:
Chunks Baws wrote:
hugh_woatmeigh wrote: The game in Cardiff will be huge.
True. And I have a horrible feeling we're going to make a complete cunt of it.
Me too. However, come the anthem time, I’ll be of completely the opposite opinion, as per.

Also, £85 a ticket! Bloody hell!

Come kick off I'll be full of drunken hubris. I paid 60 odd in 2016 and had a terrible seat. I'm paying 81 this time, I better have a decent view. Whatever the result it's my second favourite away trip after Paris and I always have a braw weekend.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:01 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
I hate Cardiff with a passion. I used to go out with a bird from there years ago and hated visiting. It was full of orange oompa loompas and constipated roiders with the exact same tribal tattoo. Is it much different?

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:35 am
by General Zod
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:I hate Cardiff with a passion. I used to go out with a bird from there years ago and hated visiting. It was full of orange oompa loompas and constipated roiders with the exact same tribal tattoo. Is it much different?
You forgot the much-fêted Chip Alley. Other than that, no, it hasn’t changed much.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:58 am
by Chunks Baws
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:I hate Cardiff with a passion. I used to go out with a bird from there years ago and hated visiting. It was full of orange oompa loompas and constipated roiders with the exact same tribal tattoo. Is it much different?

Avoid Mill Lane and most of St Marys Street and you avoid the tango apes.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:00 am
by Chunks Baws
Jamie Lyall‏ @JLyall93 · 20h

Glasgow being savaged in Dublin. Always likely under the circumstances, but the way Leinster are bullying Warriors up front, then gushing through them out wide, could be an alarming premonition for the Six Nations.

I share his concern.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:20 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
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Re: RE: Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:47 am
by Big D
Chunks Baws wrote:Jamie Lyall‏ @JLyall93 · 20h

Glasgow being savaged in Dublin. Always likely under the circumstances, but the way Leinster are bullying Warriors up front, then gushing through them out wide, could be an alarming premonition for the Six Nations.

I share his concern.
That's why very few of the Glasgow forwards will start.

No idea how Reid is playing but the starting forwards could be:

Reid
Rambo
Welsh
Gray
Toolis
Barclay
Watson
Wilson/CdP

Bench front row worries me though.

GTs game plan for Scotland is exciting but this 6N really is an acid test to how it will work against physical teams who will compete in every facet of play.

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:11 am
by whatisthejava
I would say the Toonie game plan almost has to double down and see what happens as with the forwards we have going back to hitting up is not going to work for us against Ireland or England or France

Wales are a bit of a shambles right now but could still wreck us down there if we dont get ball for the backs

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:14 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
R Gray is fit again now so could shore up the scrum if needed. The first choice pack won't be much different quality wise from what we managed in the AIs. As others have said - the TH and hooker bench options are horrendous.

Does anyone know if it's possible that Ford/Brown may make a return during the 6N?

Re: 6N starting team

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:04 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
What the fuck Gregor?