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Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:56 am
by Banquo
Stom wrote:That team is much more balanced, though, thank fuck. Would have liked to have seen Earl start, but can't quibble. Curry needs to step up.
Agreed, but the bench is stupid and Faz is lucky.
What do you think Curry needs to do to 'step up' , aside from actually controlling the ball at the base?
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:56 am
by Mikey Brown
Stom wrote:Banquo wrote:Stom wrote:
Well, I thought it was obvious...ANYONE! Seriously, he has Hill, Earl, and Ludlam in the squad. Then there's Willis, then Dombrandt, and then Sam Simmonds.
There are options. People who actually play backrow.
If Jones believes Lawes is better there than any of them, he's insane and should be removed from his role.
Screw the rest, I can understand most of it, though I would chuck a kid in at 9 just to get rid of Youngs.
But selecting Lawes at 6 is the definition of insanity.
Totally agree on Lawes as I said beforehand, though can see the logic if it hadn't failed before.
On the other player front, the only one he hasn't looked at is Dombrandt iirc- and
from what I hear, he has not been first choice all the time at Quins.
You mentioned chucking in the youngsters...who?
I don't know how much that has been form and how much has been management/specific training.
He's rough around the edges, but so was Billy. Just because we've got a risk averse coach, too, doesn't mean he's not ready...
On the kids... Mitchell, Maunder, Taylor, anyone, really. Uren would be an upgrade.
Yeah, got a kick up the arse when he briefly stopped being MOTM every week. I'd say he's better than Billy was when he first got capped.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:58 am
by p/d
Wtf has LCD done wrong
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:59 am
by Scrumhead
Dombrandt was in and out of the Quins side earlier this season. Mainly because Gustard seemed to prefer Lawday’s work rate and abrasive style. When Dombrandt’s started though he’s mostly been very good, most notably against Ulster (away) and Saracens and has picked up something like 3 well deserved MoM awards.
The biggest problem with Dombrandt is fitting him in to the England game plan. Quins give him license to roam and to play on instinct which suits him really well. I’m not sure whether he could replicate that in a more structured set-up that’s less flexible for him. That said, he did do very well in the Barbarians game.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:59 am
by Banquo
Mikey Brown wrote:Stom wrote:Banquo wrote:
Totally agree on Lawes as I said beforehand, though can see the logic if it hadn't failed before.
On the other player front, the only one he hasn't looked at is Dombrandt iirc- and from what I hear, he has not been first choice all the time at Quins.
You mentioned chucking in the youngsters...who?
I don't know how much that has been form and how much has been management/specific training.
He's rough around the edges, but so was Billy. Just because we've got a risk averse coach, too, doesn't mean he's not ready...
On the kids... Mitchell, Maunder, Taylor, anyone, really. Uren would be an upgrade.
Yeah, got a kick up the arse when he briefly stopped being MOTM every week. I'd say he's better than Billy was when he first got capped.
Fair enough. Can I look forward to 3000 Dombrandt v Billy posts going forward.
Has Dombrandt been in the training group for England at all?
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:00 am
by Scrumhead
p/d wrote:Wtf has LCD done wrong
I wonder whether he’s got a citing coming? He dropped an elbow on Ollivon when he scored his second try I think ... didn’t look good.
If not, could be something to do with the personal issue that was potentially going to keep him out of the Scotland game.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:01 am
by Scrumhead
Banquo wrote:Mikey Brown wrote:Stom wrote:
I don't know how much that has been form and how much has been management/specific training.
He's rough around the edges, but so was Billy. Just because we've got a risk averse coach, too, doesn't mean he's not ready...
On the kids... Mitchell, Maunder, Taylor, anyone, really. Uren would be an upgrade.
Yeah, got a kick up the arse when he briefly stopped being MOTM every week. I'd say he's better than Billy was when he first got capped.
Fair enough. Can I look forward to 3000 Dombrandt v Billy posts going forward.
Has Dombrandt been in the training group for England at all?
Yes. He almost made the cut for the final RWC group. He’s obviously not currently involved in the 6N squad.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:02 am
by p/d
Scrumhead wrote:p/d wrote:Wtf has LCD done wrong
I wonder whether he’s got a citing coming? He dropped an elbow on Ollivon when he scored his second try I think ... didn’t look good.
If not, could be something to do with the personal issue that was potentially going to keep him out of the Scotland game.
Personal issue sounds most likely
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:03 am
by Banquo
p/d wrote:Wtf has LCD done wrong
Thats a weird one- there were family issues? I'd have thought he was in line to start!
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:05 am
by Scrumhead
Stom wrote:Banquo wrote:Stom wrote:
Well, I thought it was obvious...ANYONE! Seriously, he has Hill, Earl, and Ludlam in the squad. Then there's Willis, then Dombrandt, and then Sam Simmonds.
There are options. People who actually play backrow.
If Jones believes Lawes is better there than any of them, he's insane and should be removed from his role.
Screw the rest, I can understand most of it, though I would chuck a kid in at 9 just to get rid of Youngs.
But selecting Lawes at 6 is the definition of insanity.
Totally agree on Lawes as I said beforehand, though can see the logic if it hadn't failed before.
On the other player front, the only one he hasn't looked at is Dombrandt iirc- and
from what I hear, he has not been first choice all the time at Quins.
You mentioned chucking in the youngsters...who?
I don't know how much that has been form and how much has been management/specific training.
He's rough around the edges, but so was Billy. Just because we've got a risk averse coach, too, doesn't mean he's not ready...
On the kids... Mitchell, Maunder, Taylor, anyone, really. Uren would be an upgrade.
Mitchell’s in as an apprentice which is entirely fair given he hasn’t played for Saints yet this season. Maunder’s just very meh and is 2nd/3rd choice at Chiefs. Taylor had a bright start at Saints and then seems to have dropped off quite a bit (two very poor outings recently).
I like Uren. I wouldn’t complain if he got called up but I don’t think he’s better than Robson or Spencer.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:07 am
by Puja
Stom wrote:Banquo wrote:Stom wrote:
Well, I thought it was obvious...ANYONE! Seriously, he has Hill, Earl, and Ludlam in the squad. Then there's Willis, then Dombrandt, and then Sam Simmonds.
There are options. People who actually play backrow.
If Jones believes Lawes is better there than any of them, he's insane and should be removed from his role.
Screw the rest, I can understand most of it, though I would chuck a kid in at 9 just to get rid of Youngs.
But selecting Lawes at 6 is the definition of insanity.
Totally agree on Lawes as I said beforehand, though can see the logic if it hadn't failed before.
On the other player front, the only one he hasn't looked at is Dombrandt iirc- and
from what I hear, he has not been first choice all the time at Quins.
You mentioned chucking in the youngsters...who?
I don't know how much that has been form and how much has been management/specific training.
He's rough around the edges, but so was Billy. Just because we've got a risk averse coach, too, doesn't mean he's not ready...
On the kids... Mitchell, Maunder, Taylor, anyone, really. Uren would be an upgrade.
Mitchell and Maunder have barely had any rugby this season due to injury and getting stuck as third choice at their clubs. Taylor is not an international quality player - he's a Prem player who' been in a decent run of form. Same for Uren. There's no point chucking either of them in to be out of their depth.
I would have been very interested in a look at Randell though.
Puja
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:08 am
by p/d
Banquo wrote:p/d wrote:Wtf has LCD done wrong
Thats a weird one- there were family issues? I'd have thought he was in line to start!
Left camp this morning, wife in labour
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:09 am
by Scrumhead
Just seen on another forum that LCD’s partner has gone in to labour (as in giving birth, not politics), which is why he’s not involved.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:10 am
by Mikey Brown
Banquo wrote:Mikey Brown wrote:Stom wrote:
I don't know how much that has been form and how much has been management/specific training.
He's rough around the edges, but so was Billy. Just because we've got a risk averse coach, too, doesn't mean he's not ready...
On the kids... Mitchell, Maunder, Taylor, anyone, really. Uren would be an upgrade.
Yeah, got a kick up the arse when he briefly stopped being MOTM every week. I'd say he's better than Billy was when he first got capped.
Fair enough. Can I look forward to 3000 Dombrandt v Billy posts going forward.
Has Dombrandt been in the training group for England at all?
I do think they're very different to be fair, but yeah I imagine I'll mention him a whole lot. He requires heavy marking for a different reason, but to me he's the only player (other than Manu) that requires the same consistent attention from a defence as Vunipola.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:12 am
by Banquo
p/d wrote:Banquo wrote:p/d wrote:Wtf has LCD done wrong
Thats a weird one- there were family issues? I'd have thought he was in line to start!
Left camp this morning, wife in labour
Momentum?
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:14 am
by fivepointer
Some sensible changes. Bringing in Ludlam and having a back rower (one who does play 8!) on the bench is perfectly sound. Dropping Youngs is well overdue. Pity the squad only has 2 SH's otherwise we could have removed him completely from the matchday 23. Getting Mako back is good news and Kruis starting is surely the right call. Giving Furbank another go at FB is also the right thing to do. Shame there's no LCD but Dunn is a very solid performer who has earnt a chance.
However, that still leaves Curry at 8 and a bench that only contains 2 backs. I really cannot see the logic in naming 4 locks and having no back 3 cover.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:18 am
by Banquo
Mikey Brown wrote:Banquo wrote:Mikey Brown wrote:
Yeah, got a kick up the arse when he briefly stopped being MOTM every week. I'd say he's better than Billy was when he first got capped.
Fair enough. Can I look forward to 3000 Dombrandt v Billy posts going forward.
Has Dombrandt been in the training group for England at all?
I do think they're very different to be fair, but yeah I imagine I'll mention him a whole lot. He requires heavy marking for a different reason, but to me he's the only player (other than Manu) that requires the same consistent attention from a defence as Vunipola.
I know its cliched, and obvious, but he reminds me strongly of Nick Easter,which is hardly surprising.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:29 am
by Mr Mwenda
Team seems fair enough, seemingly reacting to many of the flaws last time out. Clearly planning to batter the scots relentlessly. Let's hope the players can do it. It'll look very silly if the Scots stand up to it and Jiseph and May both get injured early doors....
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:49 am
by Puja
I will note that there's suppost to be high winds and plenty of rain in Scotland this weekend, so that may inform the 6:2 bench split.
Puja
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:53 am
by Oakboy
So, if 6 forwards come off the bench, which two will stay on? Can Earl play at centre?
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:54 am
by Mellsblue
Banquo wrote:Mellsblue wrote:Banquo wrote:
Devil's advocate- excellent world cup, including beating New Zealand convincingly, with said captain, scrum half and full back
. Bit of a bump against a good SA team who out thought us on the pitch. Players made so many individual mistakes v France, no coach can mitigate that- after half time, his intervention, big improvement
Game plan- he's working with the skill sets he sees from the AP day in day out. He has actually improved some players I'd say.
Most teams would struggle when losing two or three world class players, esp carriers.
On the 8, 9, 12, 15 issues.....who else?
Faz is rated by every coach he has ever worked with, including one's who are actually very good.
(not that I agree with a lot of this tbh)
I agree that he’s in credit. You’re playing devils advocate to my devils advocate
However, I agree that the loss of world class players would be an issue to any team but the need for a Billy understudy has been a requirement for a few years now.
My issue with Farrell is with him as capt not as a player (not that I think he’s the world class operate most seek to think he is!). When even Dallaglio is claiming it’s not working then it’s safe to assume it’s not working!
The clue to my devils advocacy was advocating Faz.
The clue was you starting your post with ‘Devil’s advocate’
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:56 am
by Banquo
Mellsblue wrote:Banquo wrote:Mellsblue wrote:
I agree that he’s in credit. You’re playing devils advocate to my devils advocate
However, I agree that the loss of world class players would be an issue to any team but the need for a Billy understudy has been a requirement for a few years now.
My issue with Farrell is with him as capt not as a player (not that I think he’s the world class operate most seek to think he is!). When even Dallaglio is claiming it’s not working then it’s safe to assume it’s not working!
The clue to my devils advocacy was advocating Faz.
The clue was you starting your post with ‘Devil’s advocate’
As it seemed that hadn’t been picked up by some, I thought it was worth saying again
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:58 am
by Oakboy
Banquo wrote:Mellsblue wrote:Banquo wrote:
The clue to my devils advocacy was advocating Faz.
The clue was you starting your post with ‘Devil’s advocate’
As it seemed that hadn’t been picked up by some, I thought it was worth saying again
Are you daring to suggest that humour and Farrell go together?
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:03 pm
by Mellsblue
Banquo wrote:Stom wrote:That team is much more balanced, though, thank fuck. Would have liked to have seen Earl start, but can't quibble. Curry needs to step up.
Agreed, but the bench is stupid and Faz is lucky.
What do you think Curry needs to do to 'step up' , aside from actually controlling the ball at the base?
I think he literally means step up, at scrum time, and Ludlum to step back to no8.......I hope the shirt numbers are just Eddie being stubborn.
Re: Team for Scotland
Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:03 pm
by Mellsblue
Banquo wrote:Mellsblue wrote:Banquo wrote:
The clue to my devils advocacy was advocating Faz.
The clue was you starting your post with ‘Devil’s advocate’
As it seemed that hadn’t been picked up by some, I thought it was worth saying again
I blame Eddie Jones.