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Fucker has caved in to the Pharm lobby with a push to eliminate requirements for Phase II/III data (efficacy) in the drug approval process. Watch this space for a Goldman Sachs plant to head the FDA. His "new" health care plan simply removes government subsidies for low income patients/customers whilst removing penalties for individuals that opt not to insure. No net difference. Brilliant plan Donald. What a stroke of genius.

morepork wrote:Fucker has caved in to the Pharm lobby with a push to eliminate requirements for Phase II/III data (efficacy) in the drug approval process. Watch this space for a Goldman Sachs plant to head the FDA. His "new" health care plan simply removes government subsidies for low income patients/customers whilst removing penalties for individuals that opt not to insure. No net difference. Brilliant plan Donald. What a stroke of genius.

What exactly does this mean MP?

I understand a little bit about clinical trials. Does this mean that potentially unsafe drugs can pass phase II/III testing as the results will not need to meet previous requirements?

Also, Trump tweeted something about pricing for drugs will come down. Surely the pharm lobby will not want that? They invest (and sometimes lose) millions into their new products, so will want to ensure they see profits from whichever drugs and intellectual property reach the market. Then again, if the regulations are removed that may prevent their new drugs from reaching the market, they're still guaranteed to make money.

Hmmm. What a dodgy fucker.

WaspInWales wrote:

morepork wrote:Fucker has caved in to the Pharm lobby with a push to eliminate requirements for Phase II/III data (efficacy) in the drug approval process. Watch this space for a Goldman Sachs plant to head the FDA. His "new" health care plan simply removes government subsidies for low income patients/customers whilst removing penalties for individuals that opt not to insure. No net difference. Brilliant plan Donald. What a stroke of genius.

What exactly does this mean MP?

I understand a little bit about clinical trials. Does this mean that potentially unsafe drugs can pass phase II/III testing as the results will not need to meet previous requirements?

Also, Trump tweeted something about pricing for drugs will come down. Surely the pharm lobby will not want that? They invest (and sometimes lose) millions into their new products, so will want to ensure they see profits from whichever drugs and intellectual property reach the market. Then again, if the regulations are removed that may prevent their new drugs from reaching the market, they're still guaranteed to make money.

Hmmm. What a dodgy fucker.

Phase I is safety and tolerability. Small groups given a drug to assess possible side effects. Strictly monitored. Any adverse event means back to square one. Phase II is tolerability in larger groups of patients to confirm safety and look for evidence of efficacy. Phase III is even larger groups of patients, and a comparison with currently available drugs to test benefit. Phase IV is serious controled efficacy studies, long term, after drug has been marketed. Deregulating Phase II and III means safety is the real only barrier to marketing.No unsafe drug will get through to market, but the effectiveness of the drug would be less of a requisite milestone on the path to profit.The burden of the cost of development will be reduced, but could theoretically be offset by the cost of care for subjects in after market trials of things that have no real foundation in efficacy and has no real bearing on what is charged for a drug. Insurance companies will cash in on this. Sick people will play health wang in selecting tax breaks for heath costs after signing their right to litigation away. Big pharm is an important resource for R&D only in as much as efficacy is considered a requisite milestone. We'll see, but it seems "leave it to the market" is the master plan.

morepork wrote:Fucker has caved in to the Pharm lobby with a push to eliminate requirements for Phase II/III data (efficacy) in the drug approval process. Watch this space for a Goldman Sachs plant to head the FDA. His "new" health care plan simply removes government subsidies for low income patients/customers whilst removing penalties for individuals that opt not to insure. No net difference. Brilliant plan Donald. What a stroke of genius.

1. WTF? so we'll just be flooded with drugs that don't actually work, but have a good marketting strategy?
2. TBH, that could have been worse; though it does effectively negate the whole point of the ACA; but at least it's still in place theoretically and can still be tinkered with by future regimes (assuming he leaves well alone - and assuming it passes congress).

Sometimes, it's better just to shut up and say nothing.

morepork wrote:Sometimes, it's better just to shut up and say nothing.

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Self awareness appears not to be one of his character traits.

#lockerroombanter

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He really is that fat bloke you get in old fashioned pubs or clubs who thinks he knows everything and lets every one know that very loudly.

morepork wrote:Fucker has caved in to the Pharm lobby with a push to eliminate requirements for Phase II/III data (efficacy) in the drug approval process. Watch this space for a Goldman Sachs plant to head the FDA. His "new" health care plan simply removes government subsidies for low income patients/customers whilst removing penalties for individuals that opt not to insure. No net difference. Brilliant plan Donald. What a stroke of genius.

Woah woah woah - surely you aren't talking about The World's Greatest Healthcare Plan (TM)? (It's actual name, no kidding)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /1275/text

jared_7 wrote:

morepork wrote:Fucker has caved in to the Pharm lobby with a push to eliminate requirements for Phase II/III data (efficacy) in the drug approval process. Watch this space for a Goldman Sachs plant to head the FDA. His "new" health care plan simply removes government subsidies for low income patients/customers whilst removing penalties for individuals that opt not to insure. No net difference. Brilliant plan Donald. What a stroke of genius.

Woah woah woah - surely you aren't talking about The World's Greatest Healthcare Plan (TM)? (It's actual name, no kidding)

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-con ... /1275/text

Sweet baby jesus wanking a nativity donkey......I've seen more comprehensive definitions at the Annual Meeting of Drunk Patent Legal Interns. Removes the employer mandate stating bidnesses employing more than 50 employes must provide insurance to at least 95% of their employees and dependents. Now employers can say, "health insurance benefits? Fuck off". The new super bigly proposal provides wriggle room for state employers to skirt around state requirements too. "(1) IN GENERAL.—With respect to health insurance coverage offered in a State, the State may, in consultation with the Secretary, take such steps, such as limiting the availability of general open enrollment periods, imposing delays in the effectiveness for coverage, permitting differentials in premiums based on age and other factors, as the State determines necessary in order to ensure an orderly market for health insurance coverage in the State that is not offered through an Exchange. Such steps may include the establishment of such initial open enrollment period during which qualified residents may enroll in health insurance coverage without the imposition of any underwriting as the State determines to be appropriate in ensuring initial access to such coverage." Age is the greatest risk factor for disease, so look out for opportunities to fleece an aging workforce. Probably not enough to pay for a border wall or tool up the military, but should guarantee a tidy profit for your mates in the insurance game. Benefits to the general population are not exactly obvious here...


As this bill clearly states, this serves "to eliminate the individual and employer health coverage mandates under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, to expand beyond that Act the choices in obtaining and financing affordable health insurance coverage, and for other purposes." Very comprehensively defined you thundercunt.

morepork wrote:

What...?

Actually I'm totally unsurprised. The US healthcare system is dominated by a profit making industry of gigantic proportions.
It's revolting.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... -insurance

Take today, for example, when the GOP House Speaker did a little presentation on Capitol Hill for reporters in defense of his controversial American Health Care Act, which some have begun calling “Trumpcare.” At one point during the slideshow – complete with Ryan’s sleeves rolled up – the Wisconsin Republican tried to explain what he sees as the Affordable Care Act’s fatal flaw:

“The fatal conceit of Obamacare is that we’re just gonna make everybody buy our health insurance at the federal-government level, young and healthy people are going to go into the market and pay for the older, sicker people. So, the young healthy person is going to be made to buy health care, and they’re going to pay for the person, you know, gets breast cancer in her 40s or who gets heart disease in his 50s. […]

“The whole idea of Obamacare is … the people who are healthy pay for the people who are sick. It’s not working, and that’s why it’s in a death spiral.”

As opposed to any other form of insurance, of course; I mean, only people who crash their cars pay for car insurance; and only those whose homes burn down pay for fire insurance... erm...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... 1ba9d1f7cf

But fear not: If the GOP repeal drive does fail in Congress, Trump has a secret, backup plan to kill the Affordable Care Act. And it’s actually a pretty good plan, if you view it from the point of view of Trump and many Republicans.

In an Oval Office meeting featuring several leaders of conservative groups already lining up against the House Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, President Donald Trump revealed his plan in the event the GOP effort fails: Allow Obamcare to fail and let Democrats take the blame, sources at the gathering told CNN.

Good to see that he's looking out for the little guy.

Sounds like Trump is determined to ignore the professional staffers in the various departments as much as possible and rely instead on his clique.

Just read in the Telegraph that Schwarzenegger is looking to take a run at the senate. Interesting.

Which Tyler wrote:http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show ... -insurance

Take today, for example, when the GOP House Speaker did a little presentation on Capitol Hill for reporters in defense of his controversial American Health Care Act, which some have begun calling “Trumpcare.” At one point during the slideshow – complete with Ryan’s sleeves rolled up – the Wisconsin Republican tried to explain what he sees as the Affordable Care Act’s fatal flaw:

“The fatal conceit of Obamacare is that we’re just gonna make everybody buy our health insurance at the federal-government level, young and healthy people are going to go into the market and pay for the older, sicker people. So, the young healthy person is going to be made to buy health care, and they’re going to pay for the person, you know, gets breast cancer in her 40s or who gets heart disease in his 50s. […]

“The whole idea of Obamacare is … the people who are healthy pay for the people who are sick. It’s not working, and that’s why it’s in a death spiral.”

As opposed to any other form of insurance, of course; I mean, only people who crash their cars pay for car insurance; and only those whose homes burn down pay for fire insurance... erm...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl ... 1ba9d1f7cf

But fear not: If the GOP repeal drive does fail in Congress, Trump has a secret, backup plan to kill the Affordable Care Act. And it’s actually a pretty good plan, if you view it from the point of view of Trump and many Republicans.

In an Oval Office meeting featuring several leaders of conservative groups already lining up against the House Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, President Donald Trump revealed his plan in the event the GOP effort fails: Allow Obamcare to fail and let Democrats take the blame, sources at the gathering told CNN.

Good to see that he's looking out for the little guy.

Sweet baby jeebus.

Regarding the medical insurance, I think there is some fantastic anti-logical thinking going on in there. The concept that you pay into a fund for the day that you need to use it is in fact missed on these people then?

And the Times is now reporting that a number of US states are going to challenge the new travel ban. I wonder what sort of bigly meltdown that would result in?

Sandydragon wrote:Regarding the medical insurance, I think there is some fantastic anti-logical thinking going on in there. The concept that you pay into a fund for the day that you need to use it is in fact missed on these people then?

Are you talking about the Health Savings Accounts?

They are just tax loopholes for wealthy people.

Reading that quote from Ryan again - it's almost like he can't wrap his around the principal of young people becoming old people via the linear application of time.
Surely, it's not too complicated for even this adminstration to wrap their brains around.

Sandydragon wrote:Just read in the Telegraph that Schwarzenegger is looking to take a run at the senate. Interesting.

Will he run on a justice for murderers platform?

Sandydragon wrote:And the Times is now reporting that a number of US states are going to challenge the new travel ban. I wonder what sort of bigly meltdown that would result in?

In Trump's defence literally nobody knew that governing a huge country was complicated. Sad.

Which Tyler wrote:Reading that quote from Ryan again - it's almost like he can't wrap his around the principal of young people becoming old people via the linear application of time.
Surely, it's not too complicated for even this adminstration to wrap their brains around.

Fucker knows full well, he is just playing to the gallery. As soon as the baby boomers start hitting hip replacement and dementia age, insurance companies will just hammer them in rates. This is the essence of what the Orange Bigly Amendment got herded into doing after the Trumpet meet with health insurance CEOs (giving rise to his "who thought health insurance could be so complicated" comment). Essentially he has gone in totally unprepared and pig-ignorant and been herded like a goat into a place that allows insurers to target their profit lines to specific areas. Unlike the orange fuckhead, they have actual data to work with.

morepork wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Reading that quote from Ryan again - it's almost like he can't wrap his around the principal of young people becoming old people via the linear application of time.
Surely, it's not too complicated for even this adminstration to wrap their brains around.

Fucker knows full well, he is just playing to the gallery. As soon as the baby boomers start hitting hip replacement and dementia age, insurance companies will just hammer them in rates. This is the essence of what the Orange Bigly Amendment got herded into doing after the Trumpet meet with health insurance CEOs (giving rise to his "who thought health insurance could be so complicated" comment). Essentially he has gone in totally unprepared and pig-ignorant and been herded like a goat into a place that allows insurers to target their profit lines to specific areas. Unlike the orange fuckhead, they have actual data to work with.

But this is the guy who brings home the big deal. Surely not?

Once again the cunt is spending the weekend at his Florida golf resort. Jesus christ.