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Thread's unlocked now, I see.

cashead wrote:Thread's unlocked now, I see.

Yeah, it would be good to understand why it was locked.

Thanks for showing those posts from the old thread. An eye-opener to say the least . . . I must have been too deeply involved in the 6N to notice it at the time.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

cashead wrote:Thread's unlocked now, I see.

Yeah, it would be good to understand why it was locked.

seconded

The thread was locked because numerous complaints were made and the moderators wanted time to review.

All complaints were reviewed and none met the threshold for a ban. Since you are aiming your remarks at me Cas, you should be aware that no mod felt your complaint was worthy of a ban.

If anyone has a complaint against another poster then make it via the complaint function. Do not accuse another payer of racism in this forum and start a campaign to get them removed.

I, for one, am very much appreciating the irony of this all happening in the America thread.

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"But what if white supremacist is good guy, and lol, racist mass killings" is acceptable.

Calling attention to a racist being a racist isn't.

Holy fucking wow.

If you're a member of the moderating team, and you're puzzled as to why someone might take issue with another poster cheerleading for white supremacists, then you really need to have a serious word with yourselves.

Zhivago wrote: I guess there is a difference between being racist and revealing that you are a racist. Fine line, no doubt

Bro, are you really trying to split hairs over this?

So who were the moderators that decided cheerleading for a literal white supremacist is acceptable?

Go on, identify yourselves.

We already know who one of them is, so how about the rest of you step forward and join your peer.

Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

Mikey Brown wrote:Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

No.

Sandydragon wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

No.

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C'mon MB get with the program

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Mikey Brown wrote:Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

It’s the usual…

Digby has been his usual obtuse self, posting things he probably should think twice about, which has led cas to wade in and abuse anyone he can find for being “white suprematist”, and accusing Sandy of being some kind of patsy for an oppressive regime.

I’ve got an idea? Let’s be adults who can talk normally about things without resorting to screaming and throwing our toys out of the pram.

Stom wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:
It’s the usual…

Digby has been his usual obtuse self, posting things he probably should think twice about, which has led cas to wade in and abuse anyone he can find for being “white suprematist”, and accusing Sandy of being some kind of patsy for an oppressive regime.

I’ve got an idea? Let’s be adults who can talk normally about things without resorting to screaming and throwing our toys out of the pram.

He may have been obtuse but only insofar as he let the mask slip a bit too far. Then presumably went crying to the mods when he was confronted about his idiotic and racistic utterings.

Yeah...he's not the kind of person who goes to complain to mods...

More likely someone was offended by the offensive language used by Cas. If you want to get real change, use language that engages people, talk nicely, explain your point of view, and don't label everyone racist for admitting they are being racist and that doesn't look good on them...

Take a leaf out of Puja's book. There's a reason he's a mod, and it's not because he's some horrible person.

First fly in the fly trap

You, uh, want to reword that, perhaps, Stom?

stom by name stom by nature

Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Mikey Brown wrote:Has a load of stuff been deleted from this thread or something?

Damn it Mikey, did you have to go put that idea in his head?

Sandydragon wrote:Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

I know we have had this discussion before, but I still regard that as a strange line to draw, especially given the fact that we allow other offensive things so as 'not to shut down conversations'. If it is ex nihilo, then I can see it as just being a straightforward insult, but if someone says something racist, it feels odd that we can't just call a spade a spade (to coin a phrase).

Puja

Puja wrote:I know we have had this discussion before, but I still regard that as a strange line to draw, especially given the fact that we allow other offensive things so as 'not to shut down conversations'. If it is ex nihilo, then I can see it as just being a straightforward insult, but if someone says something racist, it feels odd that we can't just call a spade a spade (to coin a phrase).

Puja

I think we're supposed to say "... call a shovel a shovel" these days, otherwise someone might not so much just "call" you racist, but might jump up and down squealing about it for a tedious number of posts, in turn putting people off posting in here for fear of displaying Wrong Think


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Puja wrote:I know we have had this discussion before, but I still regard that as a strange line to draw, especially given the fact that we allow other offensive things so as 'not to shut down conversations'. If it is ex nihilo, then I can see it as just being a straightforward insult, but if someone says something racist, it feels odd that we can't just call a spade a spade (to coin a phrase).

Puja

The red line is there because these can often turn into public hounding. If you feel someone has broken board rules then complain and it will be discussed by the moderators. I'm not on board with virtual vigilante justice where someone is hounded (other words can be bullied or harassed) because someone has a bee in their bonnet. Its not pleasant.

If a remark is racist then then offending poster will be banned. If the moderators feel that the remark isnt racist then they will deal with it in other ways.

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Enough.

Accusing another poster of racism, or any other offence against the board's rules, must be done via the complaints button. If you don't like the outcome, take the matter up with an administrator.

Continued 'judgement' in this forum will not be tolerated. I refer you all to the board's rules on bullying and harassment. I am deleting the posts where accusations have been made.

Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

If we're talking about due process, then I think it would benefit the process a lot if when you delete someone's post (e.g. mine in this thread) you at least inform them what it was that they said that you deemed to be crossing a line. Rather than just vanishing posts like a dictator vanishes people he doesn't like.

Sandydragon wrote:

Puja wrote:I know we have had this discussion before, but I still regard that as a strange line to draw, especially given the fact that we allow other offensive things so as 'not to shut down conversations'. If it is ex nihilo, then I can see it as just being a straightforward insult, but if someone says something racist, it feels odd that we can't just call a spade a spade (to coin a phrase).

Puja

The red line is there because these can often turn into public hounding. If you feel someone has broken board rules then complain and it will be discussed by the moderators. I'm not on board with virtual vigilante justice where someone is hounded (other words can be bullied or harassed) because someone has a bee in their bonnet. Its not pleasant.

If a remark is racist then then offending poster will be banned. If the moderators feel that the remark isnt racist then they will deal with it in other ways.

Mate, this has just as much to do with your inadequacies as a moderator, and your ongoing refusal to take any meaningful action.

And what qualifies as racist post, then? Apparently "expressing pleasure at a racially motivated mass murder," "expressing outrage at a white supremacist organisation with historic and ongoing links to the Klan being inconvenienced," and "cheerleading for a person just convicted of participating in the lynching of a black man" doesn't qualify, so what does? What is the threshold?

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: Can you clarify what we're allowed to do here? If someone says something that I think is racist, what am I prohibited from saying? I'd prefer to engage than to have someone banned (or not, as the case may be) by some opaque process.

The red line is naming another poster and claiming they are racist. There is a process to report posts for review which must be followed, and an escalation process if you don't like the outcome.

If we're talking about due process, then I think it would benefit the process a lot if when you delete someone's post (e.g. mine in this thread) you at least inform them what it was that they said that you deemed to be crossing a line. Rather than just vanishing posts like a dictator vanishes people he doesn't like.

Yours had quoted a post where an individual was named.