Brexit delayed

[Digby]

What Im on bout is this failure by Corbyn and his supporters to realise that their message isn't appealing to wide sectors of the electorate. Blaming the media or New Labour is getting a bit tiresome. The Corbyn message and its delivery aren't appealing to voters - its really that simple.

As for where we are now, my view is things could be a lot worse, namely as a result of a Corbyn socialist government. The Conservatives need an opposition, but Corbyn is a laughing stock and he is dragging Labour down with him.

Is he really as rabid a socialist as is portrayed by the media? Even in NZ his name is a byword for loony lefties in statements that are dismissive of anything other than this mythical centrist ground. Note that there is very little adult debate about policy. How do you expect to have an effective opposition if the opposition is bludgeoned into this space?

Its a space that he has happily and actively moved into. By any definition, he is well to the left of any British government since the 1970s.

With regards to personality, I sympathise with the view that politics should be less about TV appeal and more about competence. But, a leader should be able to communicate effectively. Corbyn contradicts himself within the space of a day and his key subordinates often sing a different tune to his own. How is it an effective opposition that is looking to become a government when they cant even get a clear message out?

Also his key staff are themselves poor performers, which isn't surprising given the sane options in the labour parliamentary party don't want anything to do with him, but it doesn't help put any sort of credible platform forward

[Eugene Wrayburn]

What Im on bout is this failure by Corbyn and his supporters to realise that their message isn't appealing to wide sectors of the electorate. Blaming the media or New Labour is getting a bit tiresome. The Corbyn message and its delivery aren't appealing to voters - its really that simple.

As for where we are now, my view is things could be a lot worse, namely as a result of a Corbyn socialist government. The Conservatives need an opposition, but Corbyn is a laughing stock and he is dragging Labour down with him.

Is he really as rabid a socialist as is portrayed by the media? Even in NZ his name is a byword for loony lefties in statements that are dismissive of anything other than this mythical centrist ground. Note that there is very little adult debate about policy. How do you expect to have an effective opposition if the opposition is bludgeoned into this space?

Its a space that he has happily and actively moved into. By any definition, he is well to the left of any British government since the 1970s.

With regards to personality, I sympathise with the view that politics should be less about TV appeal and more about competence. But, a leader should be able to communicate effectively. Corbyn contradicts himself within the space of a day and his key subordinates often sing a different tune to his own. How is it an effective opposition that is looking to become a government when they cant even get a clear message out?

It's not a question of moving into the space so much as always having been in it.

[Mellsblue]

Is he really as rabid a socialist as is portrayed by the media? Even in NZ his name is a byword for loony lefties in statements that are dismissive of anything other than this mythical centrist ground. Note that there is very little adult debate about policy. How do you expect to have an effective opposition if the opposition is bludgeoned into this space?

Its a space that he has happily and actively moved into. By any definition, he is well to the left of any British government since the 1970s.

With regards to personality, I sympathise with the view that politics should be less about TV appeal and more about competence. But, a leader should be able to communicate effectively. Corbyn contradicts himself within the space of a day and his key subordinates often sing a different tune to his own. How is it an effective opposition that is looking to become a government when they cant even get a clear message out?

It's not a question of moving into the space so much as always having been in it.

Yep. If anything he's tempered his thoughts on a few issues and moved towards the middle ground, eg the EU and nuclear power, whilst, of course, not fully commiting to the new stance and showing himself to be indecisive.

[Digby]

Yep. If anything he's tempered his thoughts on a few issues and moved towards the middle ground, eg the EU and nuclear power, whilst, of course, not fully commiting to the new stance and showing himself to be indecisive.

He's stuck on the EU given he wants the state to be able to buy into any number of industries, and that's inhibited under EU legislation, other than he's likely for it, but given that he's likely for leaving, and yet rather than just say so he's trying to make political capital out of disagreeing with the government on an issue he likely agrees with them on, albeit he wants to leave for very different reasons

[Len]

Project fear looking more like project fact. I was told by people that voted leave (who were told by Farage and other leave retards coz they're on the TV and are heroes) that the UK wouldn't leave the single market and would have a Norway style deal. I scoffed and told them the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too.

Farage did a U turn too, insisting the UK had to leave the single market recently after saying it didn't in the lead up to the referendum!

[Mellsblue]

Project fear looking more like project fact. I was told by people that voted leave (who were told by Farage and other leave retards coz they're on the TV and are heroes) that the UK wouldn't leave the single market and would have a Norway style deal. I scoffed and told them the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too.

Farage did a U turn too, insisting the UK had to leave the single market recently after saying it didn't in the lead up to the referendum!

When did the EU say we couldn't have a Norway style deal and therefore stay within the Single Market?

Will you show me Farage's quotes, though I've no idea why anyone listens to the prat, that we would stay in the Single Market. It's seems unlikely even before you try and reconcile it with controlling immigration.

As for Project Fear, none of the dire economic consequences have come to pass.......so far.

[Adder]

I'm sure the working class who voted leave will be delighted by the news of Britain becoming a tax haven.

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[Mellsblue]

I'm sure the working class who voted leave will be delighted by the news of Britain becoming a tax haven.

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Is it? From what I've read that's only a possibility if the EU try and strike an incredibly hard and punitive bargain. Even if it does come to pass, I've never heard a country becoming competitive over corporation tax be labelled a tax haven. Until this week, that is.

[Stones of granite]

Project fear looking more like project fact. I was told by people that voted leave (who were told by Farage and other leave retards coz they're on the TV and are heroes) that the UK wouldn't leave the single market and would have a Norway style deal. I scoffed and told them the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too.

Farage did a U turn too, insisting the UK had to leave the single market recently after saying it didn't in the lead up to the referendum!

When did the EU say we couldn't have a Norway style deal and therefore stay within the Single Market?

Will you show me Farage's quotes, though I've no idea why anyone listens to the prat, that we would stay in the Single Market. It's seems unlikely even before you try and reconcile it with controlling immigration.

As for Project Fear, none of the dire economic consequences have come to pass.......so far.

The Brexit Plan can be found here

[Mellsblue]

Can't see anything about staying in the single market.

[Stones of granite]

Can't see anything about staying in the single market.

[Len]

Project fear looking more like project fact. I was told by people that voted leave (who were told by Farage and other leave retards coz they're on the TV and are heroes) that the UK wouldn't leave the single market and would have a Norway style deal. I scoffed and told them the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too.

Farage did a U turn too, insisting the UK had to leave the single market recently after saying it didn't in the lead up to the referendum!

When did the EU say we couldn't have a Norway style deal and therefore stay within the Single Market?

Will you show me Farage's quotes, though I've no idea why anyone listens to the prat, that we would stay in the Single Market. It's seems unlikely even before you try and reconcile it with controlling immigration.

As for Project Fear, none of the dire economic consequences have come to pass.......so far.

The EU didn't say you couldn't have a Norway style deal, May did in her recent speech.

As for Farages quotes have a look at LBCs James O'Briens reaction on youtube to Mays speech also. I would link it but I don't know how on my phone and I'm more interested in seeing how much weight I lose after taking this shit than learning how link things on my device.

Edit. I lost 1 kg.

[Len]

Can't see anything about staying in the single market.

[Mellsblue]

Project fear looking more like project fact. I was told by people that voted leave (who were told by Farage and other leave retards coz they're on the TV and are heroes) that the UK wouldn't leave the single market and would have a Norway style deal. I scoffed and told them the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too.

Farage did a U turn too, insisting the UK had to leave the single market recently after saying it didn't in the lead up to the referendum!

When did the EU say we couldn't have a Norway style deal and therefore stay within the Single Market?

Will you show me Farage's quotes, though I've no idea why anyone listens to the prat, that we would stay in the Single Market. It's seems unlikely even before you try and reconcile it with controlling immigration.

As for Project Fear, none of the dire economic consequences have come to pass.......so far.

The EU didn't say you couldn't have a Norway style deal, May did in her recent speech.

As for Farages quotes have a look at LBCs James O'Briens reaction on youtube to Mays speech also. I would link it but I don't know how on my phone and I'm more interested in seeing how much weight I lose after taking this shit than learning how link things on my device.

Edit. I lost 1 kg.

I know May said it, but in your post you said 'the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it' and interpreted that as you saying the EU had refused them a Norway style arrangement.

I haven't got the patience to listen to O'Briens reaction to May's speech.

Congratulations on the weight loss.

[Mellsblue]

Can't see anything about staying in the single market.

What is it with emojis on this board. You two and Rowan are very much alike.

[Len]

When did the EU say we couldn't have a Norway style deal and therefore stay within the Single Market?

Will you show me Farage's quotes, though I've no idea why anyone listens to the prat, that we would stay in the Single Market. It's seems unlikely even before you try and reconcile it with controlling immigration.

As for Project Fear, none of the dire economic consequences have come to pass.......so far.

The EU didn't say you couldn't have a Norway style deal, May did in her recent speech.

As for Farages quotes have a look at LBCs James O'Briens reaction on youtube to Mays speech also. I would link it but I don't know how on my phone and I'm more interested in seeing how much weight I lose after taking this shit than learning how link things on my device.

Edit. I lost 1 kg.

I know May said it, but in your post you said 'the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it' and interpreted that as you saying the EU had refused them a Norway style arrangement.

I haven't got the patience to listen to O'Briens reaction to May's speech.

Congratulations on the weight loss.

The EU weren't going to let the UK have access to the single market and control its immigration. Obvious really.

If you haven't got time to listen then why ask for my source?

Thank you for the congratulations, from now on I will call taking a shit 'giving birth to a Mellsblue'

[Len]

What is it with emojis on this board. You two and Rowan are very much alike.

[Mellsblue]

The EU didn't say you couldn't have a Norway style deal, May did in her recent speech.

As for Farages quotes have a look at LBCs James O'Briens reaction on youtube to Mays speech also. I would link it but I don't know how on my phone and I'm more interested in seeing how much weight I lose after taking this shit than learning how link things on my device.

Edit. I lost 1 kg.

I know May said it, but in your post you said 'the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it' and interpreted that as you saying the EU had refused them a Norway style arrangement.

I haven't got the patience to listen to O'Briens reaction to May's speech.

Congratulations on the weight loss.

The EU weren't going to let the UK have access to the single market and control its immigration. Obvious really.

If you haven't got time to listen then why ask for my source?

Thank you for the congratulations, from now on I will call taking a shit 'giving birth to a Mellsblue'

It is, and was, obvious but that's not what you said.

In your original post you stated:
'I was told by people that voted leave (who were told by Farage and other leave retards coz they're on the TV and are heroes) that the UK wouldn't leave the single market and would have a Norway style deal. I scoffed and told them the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too.'
Staying in the single market and having a Norway style deal is not the EU not letting the UK have it's cake and eat it. Unless the EU have said no to an Norway style deal, which we both agree they haven't.

I was hoping your source would be Farage's quote(s) either from the horse's mouth/arse or in written form. I didn't expect to have to search YouTube or similar and then sit through an entire radio show.

If you want to think of me whilst you have your pants round your ankles and your cock in your hand then that's your prerogative.

[Stones of granite]

What is it with emojis on this board. You two and Rowan are very much alike.

I couldn't find one for a high altitude whooshing noise.....

[Len]

I know May said it, but in your post you said 'the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it' and interpreted that as you saying the EU had refused them a Norway style arrangement.

I haven't got the patience to listen to O'Briens reaction to May's speech.

Congratulations on the weight loss.

The EU weren't going to let the UK have access to the single market and control its immigration. Obvious really.

If you haven't got time to listen then why ask for my source?

Thank you for the congratulations, from now on I will call taking a shit 'giving birth to a Mellsblue'

It is, and was, obvious but that's not what you said.

In your original post you stated:
'I was told by people that voted leave (who were told by Farage and other leave retards coz they're on the TV and are heroes) that the UK wouldn't leave the single market and would have a Norway style deal. I scoffed and told them the EU wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too.'
Staying in the single market and having a Norway style deal is not the EU not letting the UK have it's cake and eat it. Unless the EU have said no to an Norway style deal, which we both agree they haven't.

I was hoping your source would be Farage's quote(s) either from the horse's mouth/arse or in written form. I didn't expect to have to search YouTube or similar and then sit through an entire radio show.

If you want to think of me whilst you have your pants round your ankles and your cock in your hand then that's your prerogative.

Who holds their cock whilst taking a shit?

Farage wants strict immigration. He said the UK could have a Norway style deal. You can't have both as we both know.

[Len]

What is it with emojis on this board. You two and Rowan are very much alike.

I couldn't find one for a high altitude whooshing noise.....

Should've asked Rowan mate, he has that one.

[morepork]

Who holds their cock whilst taking a shit?



Your mum.

[Mellsblue]

There's an emoji I definitely don't want to see.

[Len]

Who holds their cock whilst taking a shit?



Your mum.

Your mum holds my cock whilst I take a shit.

[kk67]

No, he just isnt very good.

You mean he's not good at personality politics..?.
Well the new world order seem to be very good at personality politics.....so we can all be optimistic now that the businessmen are off the leash.

I've never wanted politicians who are good on the telly. That's Kardashian Politics.
I want people who will police the political sphere. God help me but I want bureaucrats who will police the businessmen, the accountants..... and the political sphere.

Then at least you've got May, who's competent in her role as leader and poor on TV. As opposed to Jeremy who's incompetent in his role as leader and poor on TV. I wouldn't mind that so much if I didn't dislike May's policies so much, but it'd be daft to say it's about personality when May has only recently become the PM

Hmmm. May seems to be in the John Major position of following a charismatic leader and needing to be a manager not a leader. But Brexit and Trump means she's in an invidious position politically.
Should the next year become erratic then I'd hope that May and Corbyn will work together at times. They aren't entirely a bad fit for cooperation.