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Oakboy wrote:What's Ludlum done to go from being 1st choice to out of the 23?

p/d wrote:

Banquo wrote:

p/d wrote:
(b)Could be argued he picked up a good squad [/b]who would have progressed had they not been humped by Aus (which can happen - see NZ in 2019 semi), went on to land a grand slam and has been on a downward projection since.

Well you could argue that if you had selective amnesia.He picked up a decent core of unfit and poorly lead players who were sh*t in the world cup, and produced a very good squad who have produced very good results in the round; the big issue has been the players inability to react to adversity as someone else has pointed out, and frankly there have been at least 5 games that would have been won but for colossally brain dead decision making on the park when games needed closing down. There have been two massively disappointing games for me where we haven't really shown up/been blown away. Unfortunately Eddie has not been able to instil basic rugby intelligence in sufficient quantity, or at least rugby intelligence that doesn't fall apart under pressure-- and I guess he has to cop some of that, systematic as it appears.

Burt had a bloody good 6n 2014 & 2015. Plus he did it all with Burrell in the team. Think people just look at the WC and dismiss Stu-pots tenure.

jngf wrote:

twitchy wrote:

Clown shoes backrow - Oakboy you’ll get vindicated I expect this weekend!

Banquo wrote:

jngf wrote:

twitchy wrote:

Clown shoes backrow - Oakboy you’ll get vindicated I expect this weekend!

whilst I agree, you are hardly in a position to throw rocks, given your option at 8.

Mikey Brown wrote:Anyone got the slightest clue if Joseph is any good under a high ball? I was genuinely going to put him there in that joke team but thought it was less believable than Lawes at 7.

Spiffy wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Anyone got the slightest clue if Joseph is any good under a high ball? I was genuinely going to put him there in that joke team but thought it was less believable than Lawes at 7.

We will soon see. Murray/Sexton will be salivating at the thought of trying him out.

jngf wrote:

Banquo wrote:

jngf wrote:
Clown shoes backrow - Oakboy you’ll get vindicated I expect this weekend!

whilst I agree, you are hardly in a position to throw rocks, given your option at 8.

Think I’d take my chances with Macbeth (C) there rather than Curry. At least the former can make more than a nanometer’s worth of advance beyond the gain line carrying through tight traffic and each time he attempts to doesn’t get knocked straight backwards on his ass like jemima the rag doll!

Jones has stunk Twickers out with his latest selection..

Spiffy wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Anyone got the slightest clue if Joseph is any good under a high ball? I was genuinely going to put him there in that joke team but thought it was less believable than Lawes at 7.

We will soon see. Murray/Sexton will be salivating at the thought of trying him out.
Henderson out for Ireland. Quite a significant loss.

p/d wrote:I blame Matt Conceitedleg

Shiny wrote:I can picture the coaches selection meeting.

Steve Borthwick - "Listen Mr Jones. The media and the fans have some concern that your selections are getting a bit erratic and you seem to be on the verge of having a bit of a breakdown with your logic. The rest of us coaches have said surely you can't go as wild again".

Eddie Jones - "Hold my beer and watch this".

Banquo wrote:I'm really conflicted now; the selection is so botched that I kind of want it to fail. On the other hand, I never want England to lose, and more importantly, if we lose........imagine these two

morepork wrote:Jaysus man, you're on the damn spectrum.

jngf wrote:Moving to some of selections themselves, can someone tell me why Ewels is back in 23?

If we’re going to pick a Bath impact lock why not go for Stooke or even Garvey at least they bring something a bit different to the mix. I’m sure Ewels is a nice guy but I see too much of an unholy trinity of Borthwick, Louis Deacon and a Kruis Tribute band in his play for comfort

jngf wrote:Moving to some of selections themselves, can someone tell me why Ewels is back in 23?

If we’re going to pick a Bath impact lock why not go for Stooke or even Garvey at least they bring something a bit different to the mix. I’m sure Ewels is a nice guy but I see too much of an unholy trinity of Borthwick, Louis Deacon and a Kruis Tribute band in his play for comfort

Oakboy wrote:

jngf wrote:Moving to some of selections themselves, can someone tell me why Ewels is back in 23?

If we’re going to pick a Bath impact lock why not go for Stooke or even Garvey at least they bring something a bit different to the mix. I’m sure Ewels is a nice guy but I see too much of an unholy trinity of Borthwick, Louis Deacon and a Kruis Tribute band in his play for comfort

Banquo and I have been sniping at each other on here for 15 years (or, according to him, probably, he's been attempting to educate me). He's a cracking guy and I'm delighted he enjoyed the book. However, IF Jones rated Borthwick as a player (as Banquo reported), there is absolutely no hope. Borthwick was a skilled lineout operator and a useless international second row in all other aspects. Jones is a conman, IMO. We'd have been better to reappoint SCW, not that I'm seriously advocating that.

Freddo wrote:That team is pretty shocking. Is there no back rowers who are also line out optons if that's the reason Lawes is in? Shame about Furbank but Thorley should be there imo.

Banquo wrote:

Oakboy wrote:

jngf wrote:Moving to some of selections themselves, can someone tell me why Ewels is back in 23?

If we’re going to pick a Bath impact lock why not go for Stooke or even Garvey at least they bring something a bit different to the mix. I’m sure Ewels is a nice guy but I see too much of an unholy trinity of Borthwick, Louis Deacon and a Kruis Tribute band in his play for comfort

Banquo and I have been sniping at each other on here for 15 years (or, according to him, probably, he's been attempting to educate me). He's a cracking guy and I'm delighted he enjoyed the book. However, IF Jones rated Borthwick as a player (as Banquo reported), there is absolutely no hope. Borthwick was a skilled lineout operator and a useless international second row in all other aspects. Jones is a conman, IMO. We'd have been better to reappoint SCW, not that I'm seriously advocating that.

Yeah the Borthwick a a player bit surprised me too- I think he was referring to him as a club player, his intellectual approach, attention to detail and homework he did on the opposition even as a player. He was a very average international, but outstanding at club level (there's a pattern here )-- I think Jones might have poached him from Bath back to Sarries, which caused a storm at the time.