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Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 4:37 pm
by Spiffy
FKAS wrote:Doorzetbornandbred wrote:Razor has been contacted apparently.
Well he hasn't exactly kept his name out of the papers by openly suggesting he could join the Lions staff as an assistant. He's probably the highest rated club coach in rugby at the moment but he knows naff all about English rugby so you'd have to select his coaching staff carefully with a mix of those he trusts from NZ and those that know the Prem and English rugby. Someone like Ali Hepher would be ideal.
I'd hope we look at Jamie Joseph of Japan and the blatantly obvious but likely to turn us down Rob Baxter as well. Mark McCall if the Sarries saga hasn't damaged his reputation too much as well. Lam at Bristol is likely to be to expensive.
That said Eddie built well previously and will no doubt have a plan forward as well. Especially once his coaching line up is actually in place.
Joseph was a real thug in his playing days. A nasty cheap shot artist. I hope England do not give him the time of day.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:03 pm
by FKAS
Spiffy wrote:FKAS wrote:Doorzetbornandbred wrote:Razor has been contacted apparently.
Well he hasn't exactly kept his name out of the papers by openly suggesting he could join the Lions staff as an assistant. He's probably the highest rated club coach in rugby at the moment but he knows naff all about English rugby so you'd have to select his coaching staff carefully with a mix of those he trusts from NZ and those that know the Prem and English rugby. Someone like Ali Hepher would be ideal.
I'd hope we look at Jamie Joseph of Japan and the blatantly obvious but likely to turn us down Rob Baxter as well. Mark McCall if the Sarries saga hasn't damaged his reputation too much as well. Lam at Bristol is likely to be to expensive.
That said Eddie built well previously and will no doubt have a plan forward as well. Especially once his coaching line up is actually in place.
Joseph was a real thug in his playing days. A nasty cheap shot artist. I hope England do not give him the time of day.
Yes he certainly had that reputation. He did a really good job with the Highlanders and now with Japan. I don't think Eddie Jones was all sweetness and light on the pitch in his day either.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:41 pm
by Scrumhead
The England job is one of the biggest in world rugby. Honestly, as promising as Joseph may be, I’m not sure a bit of success at the Highlanders and with Japan is enough IMO.
Also worth pointing out that the Japanese RU gave him literally everything he asked for to give themselves the best possible chance of doing well. The Sunwolves basically had a shadow side for a full season to give him 100% access to their test players. I’m not taking away the achievement, but there’s simply no way he’d have that kind of cooperation from the RFU and English clubs.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:43 pm
by loudnconfident
FKAS wrote:Spiffy wrote:FKAS wrote:
Well he hasn't exactly kept his name out of the papers by openly suggesting he could join the Lions staff as an assistant. He's probably the highest rated club coach in rugby at the moment but he knows naff all about English rugby so you'd have to select his coaching staff carefully with a mix of those he trusts from NZ and those that know the Prem and English rugby. Someone like Ali Hepher would be ideal.
I'd hope we look at Jamie Joseph of Japan and the blatantly obvious but likely to turn us down Rob Baxter as well. Mark McCall if the Sarries saga hasn't damaged his reputation too much as well. Lam at Bristol is likely to be to expensive.
That said Eddie built well previously and will no doubt have a plan forward as well. Especially once his coaching line up is actually in place.
Joseph was a real thug in his playing days. A nasty cheap shot artist. I hope England do not give him the time of day.
Yes he certainly had that reputation. He did a really good job with the Highlanders and now with Japan. I don't think Eddie Jones was all sweetness and light on the pitch in his day either.
Joseph did a pretty good job on Kyran Bracken's ankle. Joseph can't be a serious England consideration.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:24 pm
by Bored Falcon
No one is going to agree with me. But I'd like a coach that had coached in the Prem.
Lam would be an exciting pick. But I'm going to throw out a very left field choice:Deano.
He's good at getting the most out of players. All his side's are well drilled. Good at bringing in coaching talent. He is pragmatic but not boring when it comes to playing style.
He also wouldn't look like a child when being interviewed pitch side by Bayfield.
Baxter worries me because he's only coached in one place.But I'd be interested
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:43 pm
by Digby
I've got no issue with Deano being a candidate. But Eddie is picking most of the better players available, and the side have developed since the autumn. If I thought someone else would come in and achieve perfection I'd see sense in moving Eddie despite the precarious finances, but I don't think anyone would be perfect
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:46 pm
by Bored Falcon
Digby wrote:I've got no issue with Deano being a candidate. But Eddie is picking most of the better players available, and the side have developed since the autumn. If I thought someone else would come in and achieve perfection I'd see sense in moving Eddie despite the precarious finances, but I don't think anyone would be perfect
I'd say most of the better players on form is arguable, although I doubt he expected the sarries lot to be so off the pace.
But in what way have they developed. either England have gone backwards or everyone else has pulled ahead.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:53 pm
by Digby
Bored Falcon wrote:Digby wrote:I've got no issue with Deano being a candidate. But Eddie is picking most of the better players available, and the side have developed since the autumn. If I thought someone else would come in and achieve perfection I'd see sense in moving Eddie despite the precarious finances, but I don't think anyone would be perfect
I'd say most of the better players on form is arguable, although I doubt he expected the sarries lot to be so off the pace.
But in what way have they developed. either England have gone backwards or everyone else has pulled ahead.
I didn't say anything about form, I did say better which is a different and more important thing. That said the side have developed in how they attack, the play is now much faster and we saw that in every game bar the Ireland one really, it's been a welcome step change when they've not been busy undermining themselves with penalties
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:05 pm
by FKAS
Scrumhead wrote:The England job is one of the biggest in world rugby. Honestly, as promising as Joseph may be, I’m not sure a bit of success at the Highlanders and with Japan is enough IMO.
Also worth pointing out that the Japanese RU gave him literally everything he asked for to give themselves the best possible chance of doing well. The Sunwolves basically had a shadow side for a full season to give him 100% access to their test players. I’m not taking away the achievement, but there’s simply no way he’d have that kind of cooperation from the RFU and English clubs.
Winning Super Rugby with the Highlanders is no mean feat. Japan also played really nice successful rugby at the world cup. He might not get the same buy in from the English clubs but would he need it? There's the core of a top 3 side in the world already there and a plethora of talented young players vying for inclusion.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:59 pm
by p/d
Lots of reasons given to dismiss candidates but, save the time gap between now and the WC and a hollow comment by Itoje, none really paper over the cracks appearing in Jones’ tenure.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:09 pm
by Spiffy
Digby wrote:I've got no issue with Deano being a candidate. But Eddie is picking most of the better players available, and the side have developed since the autumn. If I thought someone else would come in and achieve perfection I'd see sense in moving Eddie despite the precarious finances, but I don't think anyone would be perfect
Dean Richards still carries a bit of "bloodgate" baggage that he will find hard to lose when it comes to being considered for the job of national coach.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:16 am
by Digby
Spiffy wrote:Digby wrote:I've got no issue with Deano being a candidate. But Eddie is picking most of the better players available, and the side have developed since the autumn. If I thought someone else would come in and achieve perfection I'd see sense in moving Eddie despite the precarious finances, but I don't think anyone would be perfect
Dean Richards still carries a bit of "bloodgate" baggage that he will find hard to lose when it comes to being considered for the job of national coach.
I've not forgotten it, merely it doesn't bother me much. It's not like he's Paddy Jackson
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:37 am
by Spiffy
Digby wrote:Spiffy wrote:Digby wrote:I've got no issue with Deano being a candidate. But Eddie is picking most of the better players available, and the side have developed since the autumn. If I thought someone else would come in and achieve perfection I'd see sense in moving Eddie despite the precarious finances, but I don't think anyone would be perfect
Dean Richards still carries a bit of "bloodgate" baggage that he will find hard to lose when it comes to being considered for the job of national coach.
I've not forgotten it, merely it doesn't bother me much. It's not like he's Paddy Jackson
Yes.
It may not bother you, but could bother those who decide such an appointment.
But, in any case, what's Paddy Jackson got to do with the possible future of Richards as an England coach?
The issues/history are totally unrelated.
Jackson's international career is clearly over, so what's your point?
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:07 am
by Mr Mwenda
Hasn't Deano in the past made comments along the lines that he really wouldn't like being England coach?
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:49 am
by fivepointer
Warren Gatland anyone?
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:58 am
by Digby
fivepointer wrote:Warren Gatland anyone?
If you could just take yourself out back and do the decent thing
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:59 am
by Digby
Spiffy wrote:Digby wrote:Spiffy wrote:
Dean Richards still carries a bit of "bloodgate" baggage that he will find hard to lose when it comes to being considered for the job of national coach.
I've not forgotten it, merely it doesn't bother me much. It's not like he's Paddy Jackson
Yes.
It may not bother you, but could bother those who decide such an appointment.
But, in any case, what's Paddy Jackson got to do with the possible future of Richards as an England coach?
The issues/history are totally unrelated.
Jackson's international career is clearly over, so what's your point?
Deano's error in judgement is forgivable at this level. And yes others may disagree, but I wasn't supposing to speak for them
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:00 am
by Digby
Mr Mwenda wrote:Hasn't Deano in the past made comments along the lines that he really wouldn't like being England coach?
He has, and it would be understandable. Though lots of people make such comments and then find the actual offer is something they happily accept
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:06 am
by Mellsblue
fivepointer wrote:Warren Gatland anyone?
Thought this yesterday evening...... I’ve had a terrible nights sleep.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:08 am
by Mellsblue
I was possibly his harshest critic on here when he was Eng HC but I’m surprised Lancaster isn’t being mentioned. I know you should never go back to the scene of the crime but he’s actually qualified for the job now.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:15 am
by Oakboy
Pat Lam in charge to set the style with Edwards as defence coach to keep it tight when it matters. Maybe Hepher could be prised away from Exeter to apply the close stuff.
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:28 am
by Digby
Why would you want to pair Hepher and Lam?
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:46 am
by Banquo
Digby wrote:Why would you want to pair Hepher and Lam?
sheeple
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:53 am
by Which Tyler
Digby wrote:Why would you want to pair Hepher and Lam?
Barbecue in the car park?
Re: We need to talk about Eddie...
Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:13 pm
by Mellsblue