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Digby wrote:The EU aren't going to rule out some form of extension as practically they're not ready either

I wonder what convinced 100 or so MPs from the first vote?

They may agree a long extension.....may. Reports say mood is 'hardening' in Brussels, but they would say that I guess.

The second part is likely some remainers and some less extreme brexiteers decided to cut losses against a no deal and that no other deal was now possible- that's what the likes of Brady said. Nicky Morgan, a remainer, said it was to try and give a period of certainty....and said how stupid the brexiteers were to vote against, as they were making it less likely we'd leave any time soon. Rees Mogg is clearly thinking of the no deal route- and I wonder if he has some legal ruse to try and stop the 'statutory instrument' needed from happening. Toad man.

Ffs. Will it ever end.

Mellsblue wrote:Ffs. Will it ever end.

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at least England collapse quicker. Its easier to get Faz dropped than move Brexit forward.

Digby wrote:The EU aren't going to rule out some form of extension as practically they're not ready either

I wonder what convinced 100 or so MPs from the first vote?

Blind panic that otherwise they'd be handing the keys to the country to No-Deal Rees-Mogg. I can't say as I blame them - I might not fancy May's deal, but I fancy that even less.

I don't see what an election will solve at this late date - we might get a government, but the likelihood is we'll still end up with a parliament hung on the question of Brexit because no-one will vote for an MP that represents their views, they'll vote for the one wearing the right coloured rosette.

Surely the only way out of this impasse is a referendum with three choices to be ranked in preference: Remain, May's Deal, No Deal. That's the only way to negate or confirm the "moral authority of the 17.4m who voted leave" as the annoying fucktrombone Rees-Mogg dubbed it today. Otherwise everyone on every side can continue claiming that what "the people" actually meant was anything they like.

Puja

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Ffs. Will it ever end.

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at least England collapse quicker. Its easier to get Faz dropped than move Brexit forward.

If someone offered me a deal in which Brexit was over but Farrell had a life long contract as captain and the head coach of England I’d snap their hand off. That’s how sick and tired of Brexit I am.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Ffs. Will it ever end.

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at least England collapse quicker. Its easier to get Faz dropped than move Brexit forward.

If someone offered me a deal in which Brexit was over but Farrell had a life long contract as captain and the head coach of England I’d snap their hand off. That’s how sick and tired of Brexit I am.

me too. Its got to the point where I was praying they accepted May's WA despite absolutely wanting to stay in the EU....even Ken Clarke agrees.

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

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at least England collapse quicker. Its easier to get Faz dropped than move Brexit forward.

If someone offered me a deal in which Brexit was over but Farrell had a life long contract as captain and the head coach of England I’d snap their hand off. That’s how sick and tired of Brexit I am.

me too. Its got to the point where I was praying they accepted May's WA despite absolutely wanting to stay in the EU....even Ken Clarke agrees.

The next stage if we ever get there will go on much longer

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: If someone offered me a deal in which Brexit was over but Farrell had a life long contract as captain and the head coach of England I’d snap their hand off. That’s how sick and tired of Brexit I am.

me too. Its got to the point where I was praying they accepted May's WA despite absolutely wanting to stay in the EU....even Ken Clarke agrees.

The next stage if we ever get there will go on much longer

oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: me too. Its got to the point where I was praying they accepted May's WA despite absolutely wanting to stay in the EU....even Ken Clarke agrees.

The next stage if we ever get there will go on much longer

oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
The next stage if we ever get there will go on much longer

oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

They will now you’ve posted it on here.

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
The next stage if we ever get there will go on much longer

oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

I think they've done it without consulting the WTO as well haven't they?
My understanding is that a treaty-free open border in Ireland means that we have an open border with the entire world, for example. But I could very easily be wrong.

Which Tyler wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

I think they've done it without consulting the WTO as well haven't they?
My understanding is that a treaty-free open border in Ireland means that we have an open border with the entire world, for example. But I could very easily be wrong.

Yep. WTO rules are that you must treat all members the same.

Which Tyler wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

I think they've done it without consulting the WTO as well haven't they?
My understanding is that a treaty-free open border in Ireland means that we have an open border with the entire world, for example. But I could very easily be wrong.

Open to anyone who can export to Ireland at the very least, taking back control means a whopping big hole in border checks

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
The next stage if we ever get there will go on much longer

oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

yes, but not the chinese water torture of these ridiculous votes in the commons

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: oh yes, that's the daft thing about the WA being called a deal, as if it is 'the' deal. But it won't be played out tortuously in public like this attritional shyte.

Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

yes, but not the chinese water torture of these ridiculous votes in the commons

I don't mind the votes, it's having no idea what we want to achieve other than all the benefits and none of the costs and consequently no idea how to do it

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
Today the government announced a tariff schedule they've lit upon without consulting businesses as that was too tricky for them, I suspect these sort of activities will draw attention

yes, but not the chinese water torture of these ridiculous votes in the commons

I don't mind the votes, it's having no idea what we want to achieve other than all the benefits and none of the costs and consequently no idea how to do it

I mind both....

Banquo wrote: I mind both....

You're an angry man though, I'm much more sanguine about the whole affair

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: I mind both....

You're an angry man though, I'm much more sanguine about the whole affair

Oh yes...

Lol....ERG left looking totally bereft now.

Banquo wrote:Lol....ERG left looking totally bereft now.

Have they run out of EnRG?

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:Lol....ERG left looking totally bereft now.

Have they run out of EnRG?

Think May is getting run out of town.

We might be back to Bercow being key if (when) ERG try to subvert the will of parliament as part of their plan to restore the sovereignty of parliament

Banquo wrote:Lol....ERG left looking totally bereft now.

They're having the last laugh as things currently stand. If we don't have a coherent plan of what we actually want, we'll get no more than a 2 month extension from the EU and that solely so they can get their own No Deal planning done.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:Lol....ERG left looking totally bereft now.

They're having the last laugh as things currently stand. If we don't have a coherent plan of what we actually want, we'll get no more than a 2 month extension from the EU and that solely so they can get their own No Deal planning done.

Puja

So what actually happens if we pass the legislation voted for tonight to take no deal off the table, which I'd understood to be possible unilaterally; the way I read what had happened was ERG wouldn't get their no deal, and then we'd have an indefinite extension by default. Do you know, therefore, that the EU can effectively kick us out if we change our statute book?

I almost wonder if some of the ERG are secretly relieved. With Brexit, they lose their purpose in life and they also get to take responsibility for any future cockups. If something else happens they can default to protesting and blaming others.