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Puja wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:If I've wrapped my head around all of this correctly, options going forward are:

You've hit the nail on the head about everything except your spelling of prorogues.

If my only spelling / grammar error was a word I'd never heard of before, I'm taking the win!

cashead wrote: They had, like what, 2 weeks before Brexit Day? How many more chances to vote on a deal did they think they had?

2.
They thought they'd get 2 more chances. Possibly more if the EU granted an extension. They're a bit "special" that way

cashead wrote:

Puja wrote:

Banquo wrote:Ballsy from Bercow to put all that on the line. I do totally agree on these endless and meaningless amendments though. Sounds like we are fecked.

Gawd, a general election would be a nightmare. But it all is.

Conservatives complaining that if they'd know it was the last chance, they might have voted differently and how they need to have a chance to have their say now that they know the consequences.

Meanwhile, a second referendum is still undemocratic...

Puja

They had, like what, 2 weeks before Brexit Day? How many more chances to vote on a deal did they think they had?

They are fckheads. Somehow they think that the EU will cave and give...er...well....um....something or other...mutter. Empire. Real Ale. Britannia rules the waves.

In shock news, cabinet are split about what to do next

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47627744

We've still got both significant parties looking to address this in party political fashion, and clearly it's not a party issue. Still, we're the ones who voted in these geniuses

Which Tyler wrote:In shock news, cabinet are split about what to do next

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47627744

Pretty unclear myself as to what can happen next. Are there any debates or meaningless votes this week, cos I think if we want to make sure no deal doesn't happen, I think we can't afford to assume an extension and so have to do something......which I think would have to be the WA (impossible without an extension) or revoke A50 (which I don't think there is a majority for), but would be a necessary precursor to a second referendum (which I don't think there is a majority for, maybe).....

No deal looms imo.

Brexiters imagined this would be the moment when Jonny Foreigner looked across the poker table and into our flint grey eyes, swallowed and folded. Instead, we are careering around honking the horn on our clown car while the EU watches the sandwiches curl on the negotiating table.

Made me LOL. Sean Jones on twitter.

What is it that the speaker's wife's husband has actually done? I'm seeing his name a lot.

edit: Oh. I thought there were something more exciting to it. Apologies.

fivepointer wrote:Brexiters imagined this would be the moment when Jonny Foreigner looked across the poker table and into our flint grey eyes, swallowed and folded. Instead, we are careering around honking the horn on our clown car while the EU watches the sandwiches curl on the negotiating table.

Made me LOL. Sean Jones on twitter.

Bout right

So it looks like May wants a short extension, in order to get her deal in front of parliament again.

I can't see the extension being granted for that, and iI can't see her deal getting approved at the third time of asking, especially not shenjnsisrs on pissing off the moderates.

Which will leave us with one week to go, no solutions, and no time to try anything else.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47636011

She really does have less tactical for ibility than Captain Iceman!

Which Tyler wrote:So it looks like May wants a short extension, in order to get her deal in front of parliament again.

I can't see the extension being granted for that, and iI can't see her deal getting approved at the third time of asking, especially not shenjnsisrs on pissing off the moderates.

Which will leave us with one week to go, no solutions, and no time to try anything else.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47636011

She really does have less tactical for ibility than Captain Iceman!

If they don't vote the WA (not deal ) through with this backdrop, they have utterly lost the plot as we have run out of time for anything else that isn't a disaster. Or revoke A50 I guess.

What happened to the referendum vote Labour were hanging back for??

It's official - extension until June 30th requested (and likely to be rejected)

She wants it in order to bring her deal (yeah, yeah, working agreement) to parliament again (which may well be refused a vote on, and is unlikely to pass even if it is)

Is she actually capable of acutally listening?

Doesn't help that she's always seemed a Brexiteer in all but name (much like Corbyn)

Which Tyler wrote:It's official - extension until June 30th requested (and likely to be rejected)

She wants it in order to bring her deal (yeah, yeah, working agreement) to parliament again (which may well be refused a vote on, and is unlikely to pass even if it is)

Is she actually capable of acutally listening?

Doesn't help that she's always seemed a Brexiteer in all but name (much like Corbyn)

Yesterday she wanted a longer extension but faced threats from the stronger leavers in cabinet, today we'd have to concede she listened to those same lunatics. So she can listen

I was hoping at some point the remainers doing their best to support the government would tire of pandering to the loons and withdraw their support for May. But they're leaving any such measures dangerously late in proceedings assuming they've any gumption to begin with

It's genuinely a weird thought that it's the Conservative party who've given up on being conservative and are only days away from removing thousands of laws and kicking off a giant bun fight not just with the national economy but with the nation

And they barely seem fussed or to vaguely think anyone should be telling us what's going on

The only things we know are when May said we're leaving on the 29th she cannot possibly have meant it, and when she said no deal was better than a bad deal she cannot possibly have meant it, and now she repeats ad nauseum hers is the only deal on the table nobody wants it nor believes her

EU says it's May's deal or no deal. You can't I suppose say it lacks drama

What time is her 8.15 announcement due?

Well, that was worth waiting for.

Nothing she didn't say this morning in parliament.

Jesus Christ. Corbyn walked out of a meeting between May and opposition leaders because Chukka Umunna was added to the guest list. Not that the meeting would've achieved anything anyway, but surely he must have someone to advise him on the optics of doing stupid things.

Puja

Puja wrote:Jesus Christ. Corbyn walked out of a meeting between May and opposition leaders because Chukka Umunna was added to the guest list. Not that the meeting would've achieved anything anyway, but surely he must have someone to advise him on the optics of doing stupid things.

Puja

Willing to negotiate with Hammas, or Sinn Fein but Chukka Umunna is a step too far!
ETA: ok, apparently that was Cable spinning it against Corbyn, he walked when it was apparent that May was o lyninterested in telling other people what to do, rather than actually listening - so consistent with his previous stance when she acted that same way. And I can't disagree with him if that's the case (still terrible optics, andnhe needed to get his interpretation out there BEFORE anyone else) May has shown time and time again that she is incapable of listening, obtaining a consensus, or even negotiating in good faith.
ETA2: and the inevitable counter-claims that that was the case, but that Corbyn left before it could have been known...


I don't remember seeing a faster petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
369k has got to be the target (current total for the pro No Deal petition started 5 months ago)

Which Tyler wrote:

Puja wrote:Jesus Christ. Corbyn walked out of a meeting between May and opposition leaders because Chukka Umunna was added to the guest list. Not that the meeting would've achieved anything anyway, but surely he must have someone to advise him on the optics of doing stupid things.

Puja

Willing to negotiate with Hammas, or Sinn Fein but Chukka Umunna is a step too far!

Can't disagree with that, regardless of circumstances.

Puja

In less than 24 hours, the revoke petition has overtaken 5 months worth of No Deal petition

10.25am 20/02/19 petition opened.
8.00 pm 20/03/19 80,000 signatures.
8.35 pm 20/03/19 May makes her speech blaming everyone who isn't her, whilst claiming to be on the side of people she refuses to listen to.
6.00 am 21/03/19 passes 370,000 signatures the "Leave without a deal" petition has after 5 months.
8.40 am 21/03/19 passes 583,000 signatures to become www.petition.parliament.uk 's most signed petition.
9.00 am 21/03/19 site crashes with approximately 620,000 signatures
10.00am 21/03/19 site back up; almost immediately up to 690,000 (guess there were a lot waiting for the email confirmation)


Tewkesbury up over 1,000 (wish I'd waited to link my MP), it was bang-on 900 when I screen-shot it. for comparison, we had 678 signatures on the No Deal petition (yet voted Leave by 53.2%)

I guess the next target is 742,000 - which would double the No Deal petition.

Which Tyler wrote:10.25am 20/02/19 petition opened.
8.00 pm 20/03/19 80,000 signatures.
8.35 pm 20/03/19 May makes her speech blaming everyone who isn't her, whilst claiming to be on the side of people she refuses to listen to.
6.00 am 21/03/19 passes 370,000 signatures the "Leave without a deal" petition has after 5 months.
8.40 am 21/03/19 passes 583,000 signatures to become http://www.petition.parliament.uk 's most signed petition.
9.00 am 21/03/19 site crashes with approximately 620,000 signatures
10.00am 21/03/19 site back up; almost immediately up to 690,000 (guess there were a lot waiting for the email confirmation)


Tewkesbury up over 1,000 (wish I'd waited to link my MP), it was bang-on 900 when I screen-shot it. for comparison, we had 678 signatures on the No Deal petition (yet voted Leave by 53.2%)

I guess the next target is 742,000 - which would double the No Deal petition.

Yeah, I can't sign it yet...crashing too often

The Petition Map is also not loading.

Stom wrote:Yeah, I can't sign it yet...crashing too often

The Petition Map is also not loading.

Can still share the link, and write to MP though

Which Tyler wrote:10.25am 20/02/19 petition opened.
8.00 pm 20/03/19 80,000 signatures.
8.35 pm 20/03/19 May makes her speech blaming everyone who isn't her, whilst claiming to be on the side of people she refuses to listen to.
6.00 am 21/03/19 passes 370,000 signatures the "Leave without a deal" petition has after 5 months.
8.40 am 21/03/19 passes 583,000 signatures to become http://www.petition.parliament.uk 's most signed petition.
9.00 am 21/03/19 site crashes with approximately 620,000 signatures
10.00am 21/03/19 site back up; almost immediately up to 690,000 (guess there were a lot waiting for the email confirmation)


Tewkesbury up over 1,000 (wish I'd waited to link my MP), it was bang-on 900 when I screen-shot it. for comparison, we had 678 signatures on the No Deal petition (yet voted Leave by 53.2%)

I guess the next target is 742,000 - which would double the No Deal petition.

So, just over 1% of the population have signed it. I think all it proves is that People’s Vote is well organised (outside of parliament). Ironically, by Alaistair Campbell, the scourge of any good liberal until approx 3 years ago.