Brexit delayed

[Stom]

Up to 764k now...

[Which Tyler]

Nothing "Arranged" about it - nor anything to do with Alistair Campbell.
It's just an online petition; albeit one hosted by the government and one that requires addressing in parliament.
It's also comfortably the biggest petition since the hosting site was set up; and absolutely thrashing the rival No Deal petition.
We're talking some serious numbers now, maybe even enough to get 1-2 MPs to consider their position; especially if the local figures show something interesting to them.

[Digby]

I can only hope everyone is busy contacting their local MP to let them know their thoughts in addition to signing the petition

[Digby]

Up to 764k now...

It'd be much higher if the site didn’t keep crashing

[Banquo]

I can only hope everyone is busy contacting their local MP to let them know their thoughts in addition to signing the petition

The 'responder' density map is hardly surprising. Mind, not as dense as the leave vote.

[Stom]

Up to 764k now...

It'd be much higher if the site didn’t keep crashing

Would be quite hilarious if it managed millions and millions of signatories...What would the government do I wonder. You don't suppose they'd ignore it would they? I mean, it is the will of the people...

[Digby]

Up to 764k now...

It'd be much higher if the site didn’t keep crashing

Would be quite hilarious if it managed millions and millions of signatories...What would the government do I wonder. You don't suppose they'd ignore it would they? I mean, it is the will of the people...

Probably note it's only indicative and it doesn't hold close to the same validity as a Russian backed advisory outcome

[Digby]

I can only hope everyone is busy contacting their local MP to let them know their thoughts in addition to signing the petition

The 'responder' density map is hardly surprising. Mind, not as dense as the leave vote.

We may yet be wrong and the outcome nothing but unicorns, but as has been noted it looks rather more like a donkey with a dildo strapped to its head

[Banquo]

I can only hope everyone is busy contacting their local MP to let them know their thoughts in addition to signing the petition

The 'responder' density map is hardly surprising. Mind, not as dense as the leave vote.

We may yet be wrong and the outcome nothing but unicorns, but as has been noted it looks rather more like a donkey with a dildo strapped to its head

also known as a "Farrell"

[Sandydragon]

Nothing "Arranged" about it - nor anything to do with Alistair Campbell.
It's just an online petition; albeit one hosted by the government and one that requires addressing in parliament.
It's also comfortably the biggest petition since the hosting site was set up; and absolutely thrashing the rival No Deal petition.
We're talking some serious numbers now, maybe even enough to get 1-2 MPs to consider their position; especially if the local figures show something interesting to them.

Comfortably
Past the one million count now, I tried to sign it and am still waiting for the email confirmation.

This really needs some more publicity, time is short but if a sizeable number of people can sign this it might influence some MPs.

[Banquo]

Nothing "Arranged" about it - nor anything to do with Alistair Campbell.
It's just an online petition; albeit one hosted by the government and one that requires addressing in parliament.
It's also comfortably the biggest petition since the hosting site was set up; and absolutely thrashing the rival No Deal petition.
We're talking some serious numbers now, maybe even enough to get 1-2 MPs to consider their position; especially if the local figures show something interesting to them.

Comfortably
Past the one million count now, I tried to sign it and am still waiting for the email confirmation.

This really needs some more publicity, time is short but if a sizeable number of people can sign this it might influence some MPs.

to do what, though? Do you really think parliament will vote to revoke A50 after all this time, especially as they overwhelmingly voted to trigger it in the first place.

Not sure it can get more publicity and it looks like the fastest growing petition of its sort ever.

[Sandydragon]

Every little helps; it helps to deflect from Mays argument that the people are in her side. If several million people sign a petition to withdraw article 50 that sends a big message to MPs that there is another option that has public support.

[Banquo]

Every little helps; it helps to deflect from Mays argument that the people are in her side. If several million people sign a petition to withdraw article 50 that sends a big message to MPs that there is another option that has public support.

I repeat.... and do what, exactly? I genuinely don’t know what you are driving at? It can't be a surprise that there are millions who don't want to leave the EU? look at the dark bits on the graph, all heavy remain vote areas. Not saying its not a big statement, but not a surprising one.

[Sandydragon]

Every little helps; it helps to deflect from Mays argument that the people are in her side. If several million people sign a petition to withdraw article 50 that sends a big message to MPs that there is another option that has public support.

I repeat.... and do what, exactly? I genuinely don’t know what you are driving at?

MPs seem to think that Brexit needs to happen because of the referendum. If Mays deal cannot pass then the only option is no deal Brexit which very few of them want. The only other viable alternative in the time scale is to withdraw Article 50. If there is demonstratable public support for that then it gives those who don’t want hard Brexit an argument to oppose the will of the people argument that brexiteers make.

In short this is a good way for the public to demonstrate their views without a referendum and it might give remainder MPs the opportunity to find some backbone.

[fivepointer]

I've signed the petition. Its a small gesture but if we see 2-3 million signatures I think it sends a message that not everyone is mad keen to throw ourselves off a cliff. I'm absolutely sick of the "will of the people" crap Brexiteer Mps keep trotting out. Its not my will, nor millions of other people.
The poll in itself isnt going to change events,. That is now down to Parliament. The Mps had a chance last week but bottled it. They've got one more throw of the dice with revoke a serious option.

[Banquo]

Every little helps; it helps to deflect from Mays argument that the people are in her side. If several million people sign a petition to withdraw article 50 that sends a big message to MPs that there is another option that has public support.

I repeat.... and do what, exactly? I genuinely don’t know what you are driving at?

MPs seem to think that Brexit needs to happen because of the referendum. If Mays deal cannot pass then the only option is no deal Brexit which very few of them want. The only other viable alternative in the time scale is to withdraw Article 50. If there is demonstratable public support for that then it gives those who don’t want hard Brexit an argument to oppose the will of the people argument that brexiteers make.

In short this is a good way for the public to demonstrate their views without a referendum and it might give remainder MPs the opportunity to find some backbone.

As I said above (post edit soz), how is this a surprise- of course millions don't want to leave the EU, and as I noted, its the big remain areas that are 'turning out'. MPs like Heidi Allen already know this and have jumped ship.

If parliament turns round and revokes A50 we are sure in for interesting times; what a colossal waste of time and money the last 1000 days have been (which is true!).

[Which Tyler]

Every little helps; it helps to deflect from Mays argument that the people are in her side. If several million people sign a petition to withdraw article 50 that sends a big message to MPs that there is another option that has public support.

I repeat.... and do what, exactly? I genuinely don’t know what you are driving at? It can't be a surprise that there are millions who don't want to leave the EU? look at the dark bits on the graph, all heavy remain vote areas. Not saying its not a big statement, but not a surprising one.

Which makes it sound like only remain areas are voting heavily.
The dark patches are patches because they keep changing the scale.
EVERY area is signing, heavily.
That remain areas are signing with greater numbers won't surprise anyone, and also doesn't minimise the impact of this either.
It is still unprecedented.

[Banquo]

I've signed the petition. Its a small gesture but if we see 2-3 million signatures I think it sends a message that not everyone is mad keen to throw ourselves off a cliff. I'm absolutely sick of the "will of the people" crap Brexiteer Mps keep trotting out. Its not my will, nor millions of other people.
The poll in itself isnt going to change events,. That is now down to Parliament. The Mps had a chance last week but bottled it. They've got one more throw of the dice with revoke a serious option.

as I said, how is that a surprise to anyone?

Parliament has bottled every chance, its true.

[Banquo]

Every little helps; it helps to deflect from Mays argument that the people are in her side. If several million people sign a petition to withdraw article 50 that sends a big message to MPs that there is another option that has public support.

I repeat.... and do what, exactly? I genuinely don’t know what you are driving at? It can't be a surprise that there are millions who don't want to leave the EU? look at the dark bits on the graph, all heavy remain vote areas. Not saying its not a big statement, but not a surprising one.

Which makes it sound like only remain areas are voting heavily.
The dark patches are patches because they keep changing the scale.
EVERY area is signing, heavily.
That remain areas are signing with greater numbers won't surprise anyone, and also doesn't minimise the impact of this either.
It is still unprecedented.

and? Brexit is unprecedented.
I wasn't implying that it was only Remain areas, but that the weighting was unsurprising. I'd be genuinely surprised if anyone in parliament is surprised.....but worse, actually know what to do with it?

[Which Tyler]

What's new is that people are getting this oissed off, and in these numbers.
If you doubt that, have a look at the other petitions there on Brexit; or see how it took off as a direct result of May's speech last night.
I repeat, in 28 days, it reached 80k. In 22 hours it's reached 1,200k

[Banquo]

What's new is that people are getting this oissed off, and in these numbers.
If you doubt that, have a look at the other petitions there on Brexit; or see how it took off as a direct result of May's speech last night.
I repeat, in 28 days, it reached 80k. In 22 hours it's reached 1,200k

People have been pissed off for nearly 3 years, remember those mass marches. I'm glad you are all excited, but I genuinely don't know what it will turn into, hence asking the question.

People are pissed off with Brexit shock!

[Stom]

Jesus, it's going up at around 90,000 per hour...

3,000 every 2 minutes...

[Which Tyler]

And no issues saying that you have to be excited or surprised.
However, the whole thing is surprising and unprecedented.

No-one expects anything much to happen as a result.
MAYBE one of two MPs might think twice before claiming they represent the will of the people. Maybe all it is is another piece of evidence that the country is nothing ifed behind May, regardless of her lies.

We k is more than we did yesterday about the numbers and strength of opinion. That is cold hard fact, whether it surprises you or not

[Banquo]

And no issues saying that you have to be excited or surprised.
However, the whole thing is surprising and unprecedented.

No-one expects anything much to happen as a result.
MAYBE one of two MPs might think twice before claiming they represent the will of the people. Maybe all it is is another piece of evidence that the country is nothing ifed behind May, regardless of her lies.

We k is more than we did yesterday about the numbers and strength of opinion. That is cold hard fact, whether it surprises you or not

Maybe the uptake is a tad surprising, the depth of feeling is absolutely not (why is it a 'fact' that this number was not known yesterday- at least 17 million are known to be against leaving?) ....maybe folks had just got bored and May's statement and next Friday is a bucket of cold water and woken them up that we are in the last chance saloon. Interesting to see if anything changes on the back of it; it will take a ballsy group of MPs to stick revoke on the table.

[Which Tyler]

If you don't think it's new, then please explain why none of the dozens of previous such petitions got any particular support, let alone record-breaking.