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Puja wrote:Every time I think we've hit Peak-May, she finds a new and exciting way to try and push things till later. This decoupling of the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration is brazen gaming of the exact letter of rules that the EU set over the extension and is literally being done for the sole purpose of buying her more time in which to avoid doing things.

There are phD students looking on in awe at this quality of procrastination.

Puja

In defence of her she couldn't have been clearer the withdrawal agreement and political declaration were inextricably linked and thus weren't to be separated. And in further defence she hasn't yet cancelled the vote once the whips confirm they haven't got the votes with a cabal of erg diehards and the DUP holding out

cashead wrote:So is it mid-April now, then?

If today’s vote isn’t passed, it’s 12th April no deal unless something is agreed by mps at some point.

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:Every time I think we've hit Peak-May, she finds a new and exciting way to try and push things till later. This decoupling of the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration is brazen gaming of the exact letter of rules that the EU set over the extension and is literally being done for the sole purpose of buying her more time in which to avoid doing things.

There are phD students looking on in awe at this quality of procrastination.

Puja

In defence of her she couldn't have been clearer the withdrawal agreement and political declaration were inextricably linked and thus weren't to be separated. And in further defence she hasn't yet cancelled the vote once the whips confirm they haven't got the votes with a cabal of erg diehards and the DUP holding out

Well it’s either some strategy no one has seen through, or she remains the epitome of ham fistedness; I’d been lead to understand the DUP were set to abstain on vote for whole deal, so she has managed to again fck them off (no bad thing in isolation). She will clearly lose this again- unless there is a Labour rebellion, hinted at by John Mann yesterday (up to 70 are said to be desperate for Brexit in any form other than no deal). Shambolic doesn’t begin to capture the Mays basic management, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of trying to do something ‘challenging’

Fraid so
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... 646-_mtvtE

Put that against a similar venting of the spleen from the Dail Mail, look for the middle ground and you might be near to the truth.

To be honest, it is the current situation writ large. Overly emotional, light on facts and of no use whatsoever in finding an end result.

I struggle to think of a sector of society that hasn’t acted like a hormonal, pubescent teenager for the last 2/3 years.

Mellsblue wrote:
I struggle to think of a sector of society that hasn’t acted like a hormonal, pubescent teenager for the last 2/3 years.

The hormonal pubescent teenagers noting they didn’t get a say in this, noting the change impacts them more than all those about to die who voted for it, and asking politely if it'd be possible from them to have a say in their future

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:
I struggle to think of a sector of society that hasn’t acted like a hormonal, pubescent teenager for the last 2/3 years.

The hormonal pubescent teenagers noting they didn’t get a say in this, noting the change impacts them more than all those about to die who voted for it, and asking politely if it'd be possible from them to have a say in their future

Thank you for proving my point.

Oh, yeah......ha!

and round we go again. Only lost by 58 this time

No deal becomes more real. Got til April 12th to come up with something the EU will accept.

Banquo wrote:and round we go again. Only lost by 58 this time

No deal becomes more real. Got til April 12th to come up with something the EU will accept.

EU council meeting on April 10th is likely the last chance to do anything other than revoke or crash

The farce continues......
Monday looks to be a very significant day.
This motion might be key if it gets debated and if it passes - "If we can't agree a deal we want:
1. We ask for an extension
2. If the EU says no there's no time for a referendum so
3. Parliament chooses between either (1) No Deal or (2) Revoking, with a commitment to a public inquiry into what we want and a possible further notification"

I know that our government doesn't really put much stock in "things the EU say"; and are endlessly surprised that "things the EU say" end up being "Things the EU mean"; but... if we want an extension, it has to be FOR something.
It will either be to negotiate a new deal without May's red lines; or it will be for a general election, or it will be for a referendum. For any of those, we're talking an extension measured in years.

I wouldn't put much hope in revoking article 50 in order to trigger it again in a year or two and negotiate from a more coherent position - I don't see the EU actually being willing to enter negotiations at all if we do that, there's no point in negotiating with someone you simply can't trust; and the rest of the world would probably agree. I would think that if we revoke Art 50; and trigger it again within 20-odd years; we'll be on WTO terms with the entire globe, or accepting terrible deals until we've earned international trust again.

The weirdest/funniest thing is the looney tunes like Francois chucking Brexit away. They genuinely have found religion.

Banquo wrote:The weirdest/funniest thing is the looney tunes like Francois chucking Brexit away. They genuinely have found religion.

I was going to agree with you and then I found this:



Calling Francois looney tunes is probably the biggest compliment he has ever received.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:The weirdest/funniest thing is the looney tunes like Francois chucking Brexit away. They genuinely have found religion.

I was going to agree with you and then I found this:



Calling Francois looney tunes is probably the biggest compliment he has ever received.

True, but Uri Geller was old news looney tunes; one of the greatest 'discoveries' for me, with so many MPs becoming 'visible' is how ludicrous, stupid, vain, and indeed stupid again a large number are. Francois is something I thought impossible, a Farage tribute and parody act.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:The weirdest/funniest thing is the looney tunes like Francois chucking Brexit away. They genuinely have found religion.

I was going to agree with you and then I found this:



Calling Francois looney tunes is probably the biggest compliment he has ever received.

You know that he's Hungarian...and he can't speak Hungarian properly either It's like he can't actually speak at all!

Stom wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:The weirdest/funniest thing is the looney tunes like Francois chucking Brexit away. They genuinely have found religion.

I was going to agree with you and then I found this:



Calling Francois looney tunes is probably the biggest compliment he has ever received.

You know that he's Hungarian...and he can't speak Hungarian properly either It's like he can't actually speak at all!

That would probably be for the best.

But honestly, if the indicative vote comes back with Beckett's choice, and it runs off against May's WA on Tuesday and wins...

I mean...the government will reject it and then what?

If parliament is ignored passing an indicative vote then parliament needs to pass something that isn't merely indicative. The government cannot simply ignore parliament as I'm sure the civil service will have made very clear to anyone daft enough to think they can, but parliament has to get its own shoes dirty and not rely on being suggestive

Digby wrote:If parliament is ignored passing an indicative vote then parliament needs to pass something that isn't merely indicative. The government cannot simply ignore parliament as I'm sure the civil service will have made very clear to anyone daft enough to think they can, but parliament has to get its own shoes dirty and not rely on being suggestive

Agreed. To stretch the metaphor, there's a lot with cold feet, who don't want to even feel remotely accountable should we eventually leave. So an awful lot are sitting on their hands.
Fact is, most MPs don't want us to leave at all, and they continue to be disingenuous.

Anyone know what this red flag is?

Parachute Regiment.

Sandydragon wrote:Parachute Regiment.

Cheers Sandy

Sandydragon wrote:Parachute Regiment.

They just dropped by I guess

Banquo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Parachute Regiment.

They just dropped by I guess

If we do go over the cliff at least they'll be able to advise you don't need a parachute to go skydiving, you only need a parachute to do it twice

Every time I see three or more people on TV talking about Brexit, it turns into a slanging match with four different opinions.....and generally the opinions are based on a fallacy and/or a lack of understanding. MPs are the worst culprits for this- how can they look in the mirror when they don't understand the basics of their role; the quality of your average politician is appallingly low, and this has been brutally exposed in all this. How can they recover public trust after all this has been laid bare?