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"I believe wholeheartedly, Donald Trump and Butler County's JD Vance are the last chance to save our country," said George Lang, a Republican state senator. "Politically, I'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country and it will be saved. It's the greatest experiment in the history of mankind."

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:29 pm

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:52 pmThe Michele Obama candidature is interesting. She has literally no experience at that level of government, but does have name recognition. Polling suggests that she would beat Trump, so it's not a surprise that her name continues to be floated. It would be an interesting twist.

The other week, I saw her name trending on twitter, wondered what it was and discovered a widespread conspiracy theory that she is trans, including AI photographs of her as teenage "Big Mikey" alongside a teenage Barack, analysis of her "manly features" (with comparisons to Melania and bonus racism), and dissections of pictures showing folds in her trousers that are "clearly a penis".

And you know, for a fact, that Trump would absolutely adopt that if she ran. That is 100%, perfectly, on brand for him.

I have absolutely no surprise that she has no interest in getting involved in politics.

Puja

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:15 pm https://apnews.com/article/jd-vance-tru ... 5ba81032bb

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"I believe wholeheartedly, Donald Trump and Butler County's JD Vance are the last chance to save our country," said George Lang, a Republican state senator. "Politically, I'm afraid if we lose this one, it's going to take a civil war to save the country and it will be saved. It's the greatest experiment in the history of mankind."

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:52 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:09 am

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:57 am

As pointed out below, thank heavens for the early debate. I don't think the fact that Joe Biden was getting older and frailer is a huge shock to anyone and had to be factored in, but that debate was abysmal, followed up by the NATO conference. `hopefully, this hasn't been done too late.

It's just possible that the timing was close to perfect (excluding it happening way before the primaries) - any sooner and there would've been ambitious Dems eyeing up a potential run and taking lumps out of each other which is the last thing that was needed. Kamala Harris is very far from the perfect candidate, but she comes with the benefit of the Biden warchest, is an excellent demographic to attack Trump's age, criminality, racism, and facilitation of abortion bans, and it's not like many of the other options are perfect either. This close to the convention, the sack of cats is going to end up uniting around her pretty quickly, and concentrate on fighting for the VP role instead of assisting Trump's attack lines.

Who would be the best VP for her? It's tempting to say "Old White Male", but I don't think that would reassure any of the racists or misogynists particularly anyway (and let's face it, they were probably Trump voters anyway) and gives the impression of her being given a supervisor. Maybe Warnock from Georgia to burnish the Christian credentials of the ticket (although I don't know if that would necessitate a Senate election in Georgia, which might not be a good idea rn).

Puja

I think her VP will best be determined by any states in the balance. Winsome in California brings little ot the party realistically. Maybe someone from one of the mid west/northern swing states?

I do agree that this is the best of a bad job - too much time and the Dems would have gone into full bore civil war and that would be an unedifying sight. But ideally, this would have been sorted before the primaries, and this whole palava wouldn't be required. The Republicans will make a lot of hay out of the Democrats' perceived lack of respect for democracy.

The Michele Obama candidature is interesting. She has literally no experience at that level of government, but does have name recognition. Polling suggests that she would beat Trump, so it's not a surprise that her name continues to be floated. It would be an interesting twist.

Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 10:52 pm

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:52 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:09 am

It's just possible that the timing was close to perfect (excluding it happening way before the primaries) - any sooner and there would've been ambitious Dems eyeing up a potential run and taking lumps out of each other which is the last thing that was needed. Kamala Harris is very far from the perfect candidate, but she comes with the benefit of the Biden warchest, is an excellent demographic to attack Trump's age, criminality, racism, and facilitation of abortion bans, and it's not like many of the other options are perfect either. This close to the convention, the sack of cats is going to end up uniting around her pretty quickly, and concentrate on fighting for the VP role instead of assisting Trump's attack lines.

Who would be the best VP for her? It's tempting to say "Old White Male", but I don't think that would reassure any of the racists or misogynists particularly anyway (and let's face it, they were probably Trump voters anyway) and gives the impression of her being given a supervisor. Maybe Warnock from Georgia to burnish the Christian credentials of the ticket (although I don't know if that would necessitate a Senate election in Georgia, which might not be a good idea rn).

Puja

I think her VP will best be determined by any states in the balance. Winsome in California brings little ot the party realistically. Maybe someone from one of the mid west/northern swing states?

I do agree that this is the best of a bad job - too much time and the Dems would have gone into full bore civil war and that would be an unedifying sight. But ideally, this would have been sorted before the primaries, and this whole palava wouldn't be required. The Republicans will make a lot of hay out of the Democrats' perceived lack of respect for democracy.

The Michele Obama candidature is interesting. She has literally no experience at that level of government, but does have name recognition. Polling suggests that she would beat Trump, so it's not a surprise that her name continues to be floated. It would be an interesting twist.

If they had actually forced him out or fudged the rules 1922 committee style, then they might have a point. As it is, Biden stood down, there's nothing in it. Perhaps the Republicans would have preferred them to have stormed the White House with a mob - that would be more their style.

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:03 am It’s so funny the idea this can now be a thing anybody cares about or is morally outraged over. Of course he got a bit of a nudge. He can’t fucking talk.

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:40 pmIf the Dems win later this year then their usual rhetoric will be even more explosive.

It will be another stolen election. I think the chances of violence in the aftermath will be high than they were last time round

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 1:30 pm

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 12:40 pmIf the Dems win later this year then their usual rhetoric will be even more explosive.

It will be another stolen election. I think the chances of violence in the aftermath will be high than they were last time round

Both of these were already the case, regardless of who the Dem candidates was.

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:19 pm I think vance is stinking the place out so far. Throwing out crazy statements etc

He's also pitching himself as the next don and there's only room for 1 messiah on the ticket, he's hoovering up fcuk all casual voters I'd say

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:55 pm

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 2:19 pm I think vance is stinking the place out so far. Throwing out crazy statements etc

He's also pitching himself as the next don and there's only room for 1 messiah on the ticket, he's hoovering up fcuk all casual voters I'd say

I heard it proposed that Vance was picked because Trump was overconfident - rather than picking a strategically valuable VP of a sane(ish), equable, Christian who could reassure casuals that an adult was in the room (Mike Pence 2.0, if you will), he thought that he was guaranteed a victory against Biden and doubled down on MAGA lunacy. Makes sense to me.

Puja

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:14 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c28evrd9depo

Which Tyler wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:14 pm https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c28evrd9depo

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:04 am Oh the gop is running scared, straight to the courts to try and block Harris using biden funds

Meanwhile there biggest attack on Harris is that she laughs a lot, I'm like isn't it great to hear her laugh, there's enough misery out there

Oul JD is tanking btw -6 negative impact for a vp pick the lowest since 1980, he'll probably get fired, lol

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:12 am

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:04 am Oh the gop is running scared, straight to the courts to try and block Harris using biden funds

Meanwhile there biggest attack on Harris is that she laughs a lot, I'm like isn't it great to hear her laugh, there's enough misery out there

Oul JD is tanking btw -6 negative impact for a vp pick the lowest since 1980, he'll probably get fired, lol

Can he be fired? I thought once he was nominated and confirmed, he had to be on the ticket?

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 4:29 pm

Sandydragon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:52 pmThe Michele Obama candidature is interesting. She has literally no experience at that level of government, but does have name recognition. Polling suggests that she would beat Trump, so it's not a surprise that her name continues to be floated. It would be an interesting twist.

The other week, I saw her name trending on twitter, wondered what it was and discovered a widespread conspiracy theory that she is trans, including AI photographs of her as teenage "Big Mikey" alongside a teenage Barack, analysis of her "manly features" (with comparisons to Melania and bonus racism), and dissections of pictures showing folds in her trousers that are "clearly a penis".

And you know, for a fact, that Trump would absolutely adopt that if she ran. That is 100%, perfectly, on brand for him.

I have absolutely no surprise that she has no interest in getting involved in politics.

Puja

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 7:47 pm Going to say I underestimated kamala Harris. The money has flowed in 120M apparently

It's refreshing just seeing a relatively young, smiling vibrant woman talking, she's got a chance

paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:04 am Oh the gop is running scared, straight to the courts to try and block Harris using biden funds

Meanwhile there biggest attack on Harris is that she laughs a lot, I'm like isn't it great to hear her laugh, there's enough misery out there

Oul JD is tanking btw -6 negative impact for a vp pick the lowest since 1980, he'll probably get fired, lol