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Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:They should have moved the commons onto a series of preferential votes not discrete ones. There has to be a consequence presented to making and indeed not making a decision

everyone wants it to be someone elses finger on whatever trigger is or isnt pulled

I'm happy to make the decision myself

Such a narcissist

Theresa’s latest love letter to Donald. Looks like the working process is to keep the WA as is, shouldn’t be too difficult as it’s closely aligned to Lab policy, and change the PD down a softer Brexit path.
The attachments aren’t quite in the right order. Read 1, 3 then 2!!

Weren't we supposed to hold all the cards.....

The EU will probably say, fine, you can an extension but we're not messing about by giving you a few weeks at a time, you can have a year to sort yourselves out.

That is eminently fair.

Sticking points would seem to be Lab demands for a second ref- will Corbyn defy his party - and move in the PD towards remaining in the CU and close alignment to the SM - will May risk splitting her party.
If Labour play this right then they come out as winners. WA is cigarette paper close to their Brexit policy, that PD as outlined above removes the cigarette paper and a second ref would be the cherry on the top. That scenario, however, is a country mile from the Conservative manifesto.

From my point of view, it’s the worst compromise of the lot. Those who did vote to Leave as they hate furrinners get what the they want and the upsides - whether you think they are achievable or not - of trade deals, closing the democratic deficit etc go by the wayside.

fivepointer wrote:Weren't we supposed to hold all the cards.....

The EU will probably say, fine, you can an extension but we're not messing about by giving you a few weeks at a time, you can have a year to sort yourselves out.

That is eminently fair.

Good god. To we have to have the remainer supercilious quips all the time. It’s as bad as Brexiteers who try and invoke the blitz spirit at every given opportunity. I will be so utterly grateful when this is all over. Actually, scratch that, it’ll never be over. I can’t wait until it’s back on the low burner whilst actual stuff gets done.

I’d imagine the terms of the extension will depend who wins the argument. Merkel and Tusk seem happy to be pragmatic and get it done. Macron and all of Belgium see it differently. Why the EU would want us in the EU elections is beyond me. They should look at the 2014 results in what was a far less febrile atmosphere. Unless they are banking on UKIP and/or Farage not getting their act together or them sinking each other’s ships, I would’ve thought they’d be trying to avoid our inclusion if at all possible.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: everyone wants it to be someone elses finger on whatever trigger is or isnt pulled

I'm happy to make the decision myself

Such a narcissist

This seemingly leaves you perturbed peope don't want to take responsibility and that someone would

Really, really can’t wait for it to all be over:

Puja

These fucking idiots are beholden to their on line audience of zombies. Why in the name of barstarding wank is social media afforded this level of influence on public service?

Puja wrote:

Puja

Brilliant!! Does anyone have enough time to go over the bollox Sturgeon has spouted about the London v Holyrood relationship?

Yes, but no inclination

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
I'm happy to make the decision myself

Such a narcissist

This seemingly leaves you perturbed peope don't want to take responsibility and that someone would

No its how you try and bring threads to be all about you, like you could actually do anything about it

Mellsblue wrote:Sticking points would seem to be Lab demands for a second ref- will Corbyn defy his party - and move in the PD towards remaining in the CU and close alignment to the SM - will May risk splitting her party.
If Labour play this right then they come out as winners. WA is cigarette paper close to their Brexit policy, that PD as outlined above removes the cigarette paper and a second ref would be the cherry on the top. That scenario, however, is a country mile from the Conservative manifesto.

From my point of view, it’s the worst compromise of the lot. Those who did vote to Leave as they hate furrinners get what the they want and the upsides - whether you think they are achievable or not - of trade deals, closing the democratic deficit etc go by the wayside.

I agree, WA plus Customs Union makes little sense. No upside to where we currently are. With a second ref its just crap tbh. I'd rather we just revoked and let the whining begin than that.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: Such a narcissist

This seemingly leaves you perturbed peope don't want to take responsibility and that someone would

No its how you try and bring threads to be all about you, like you could actually do anything about it

So basically you judge me akin to the PM in all this?

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
This seemingly leaves you perturbed peope don't want to take responsibility and that someone would

No its how you try and bring threads to be all about you, like you could actually do anything about it

So basically you judge me akin to the PM in all this?

a bit more verbose

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote: No its how you try and bring threads to be all about you, like you could actually do anything about it

So basically you judge me akin to the PM in all this?

a bit more verbose

Candour means candour

Mellsblue wrote:Really, really can’t wait for it to all be over:

Me either. I do wonder what on earth the 30 very odd extreme Brexit tories (Francois, Bone, Cash, Bravermann, Patel etc) are thinking now...you'd think they might actually consider changing their pedantic little minds, rather enabling BRINO minus.

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Really, really can’t wait for it to all be over:

Me either. I do wonder what on earth the 30 very odd extreme Brexit tories (Francois, Bone, Cash, Bravermann, Patel etc) are thinking now...you'd think they might actually consider changing their pedantic little minds, rather enabling BRINO minus.

You’d think so, but rational thought went out the window weeks before the vote even took place. My only way of making sense of it is that they would rather be seen as the protectors of pure Brexit than actually get most of what they want. Some people revel in being the underdog and don’t really know what to do with themselves once they reach their promised land.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:Really, really can’t wait for it to all be over:

Me either. I do wonder what on earth the 30 very odd extreme Brexit tories (Francois, Bone, Cash, Bravermann, Patel etc) are thinking now...you'd think they might actually consider changing their pedantic little minds, rather enabling BRINO minus.

You’d think so, but rational thought went out the window weeks before the vote even took place. My only way of making sense of it is that they would rather be seen as the protectors of pure Brexit than actually get most of what they want. Some people revel in being the underdog and don’t really know what to do with themselves once they reach their promised land.

Maybe protecting their own toxic brands come the next election.

WTAF?

Now there's a surprise:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47833841


The government has not proposed any changes to the PM's Brexit deal during cross-party talks, says shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer.

Meetings have been taking place between Tory and Labour politicians to find a proposal to put to the Commons before an emergency EU summit next week.

But Sir Keir said the government was not "countenancing any change" on the wording of the existing plan...

Did anybody really expect any other outcome?
A) it’s Theresa May
B) the WA is already closer to Lab than Con
C) Corbyn wants an election above all else

Enjoying the warnings from the Tory right about participation in elections being an existential threat to their party. When people were worried about the national economy that’s just project fear and to be easily dismissed, but the important stuff like the Conservative party, now that we need to pay heed to