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Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 1:06 am
by Spy
FT 17-36. Good second half if you like scrums and hate running rugby. Good comeback from Argentina, who are a decent side.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2016 8:08 am
by rowan
cashead wrote:
rowan wrote:I think the Pumas might shock the All Blacks this weekend.
Yeah, it might be a 20-point margin, rather than a 30-point one!
Wishful thinking, obviously. There was a horrible air of predictability about both this weekend's games. Somehow I still find the 6 Nations far more entertaining, if only for the unpredictability. Another team or two, and a single round of games, would spice up the RC.

Good call on your part, btw :!:

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:24 am
by Len
ALB carving up. Canterbury boy see.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:42 am
by Eugene Wrayburn
ALB was fantastic. Might be one of those rare creatures who is better at Test level than they are in the level below.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:22 pm
by Len
Eugene Wrayburn wrote:ALB was fantastic. Might be one of those rare creatures who is better at Test level than they are in the level below.
Our boy Crotty has been very good this entire championship too don't you think?

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:11 pm
by J Dory
What's white with a yellow arm?....

Len, shit stirrer.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:12 pm
by J Dory
I've been impressed with Crotty too BTW. Been a couple of times he's shown a real turn of pace I didn't know he had, and of course has continued to do all the things he does well, defend, support, run good lines etc.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:18 pm
by Eugene Wrayburn
Len wrote:
Eugene Wrayburn wrote:ALB was fantastic. Might be one of those rare creatures who is better at Test level than they are in the level below.
Our boy Crotty has been very good this entire championship too don't you think?
He's been Crotty. He has a low error rate and with excellent players around him won't fuck up the opportunities that others have to create for him.

Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:24 pm
by Lizard
ALB learned all he knows at Waikato and the Chiefs.

Crotty has done well, for a placeholder journeyman.


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Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:13 am
by cashead
Unless there is a short and sharp decline in form, coupled with the definitive emergence of a preferable alternative (think Whitelock's elevation to test level in 2010, and the dramatic fall in Tom Donnelly's form later that same year), it's hard to justify the dropping of Crotty. He's been the form 12 in the competition.

As it stands, he's the most experienced of a fairly raw bunch, with a few potentials that are between 0~5 caps.

From the injured list, I would like to see Richard Buckman and Charlie Ngatai be offered an opportunity to prove their worth, so hopefully they'll be back next year in decent form.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:38 am
by zer0
Ngatai's head injuries don't bode well, unfortunately. After Crotty, Leinart-Brown is the obvious second choice for the moment. Williams returns next year which will give us at least three options. Four if Ngatai recovers.

The really contentions position is one-out at centre. Fekitoa hasn't seized his opportunity thus far. Moala had a good go of it in his one chance but still needs to pass more, and generally just needs more game time there. Unfortunately that brings us to the third, and best (IMO), long term option of Rieko Ioane. Both he and Moala are at the Blues, which means someone will be shifted to the wing.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:59 pm
by J Dory
Any word on Ranger's recovery?

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:36 pm
by cashead
Ranger won't be back until next year as well.

Speaking of Ranger, the Blues midfield next year is going to be ridiculously stacked.

Piers Francis, George Moala, SBW, Ranger, Rieko Ioane, Michael Little and possibly Male Sa'u. Something is going to have to give, basically. Some can be placed on the wing like Ranger, Ioane and Moala, but you've also got Matt Duffie and Lolagi Visinia.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the other teams needing a midfielder like the Crusaders might swoop in and snag a couple of them by the end of the season. The Blues did nab Gus Pulu from the Chiefs out of a log-jam of 3 All Black halfbacks there, so turnabout might be fair play here.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:42 pm
by zer0
cashead wrote:Ranger won't be back until next year as well.

Speaking of Ranger, the Blues midfield next year is going to be ridiculously stacked.

Piers Francis, George Moala, SBW, Ranger, Rieko Ioane, Michael Little and possibly Male Sa'u. Something is going to have to give, basically. Some can be placed on the wing like Ranger, Ioane and Moala, but you've also got Matt Duffie and Lolagi Visinia.
Having seen the writing on the wall, Francis is aiming to move in to first-five. Meanwhile Ranger is 30, so should not be wasted in the midfield. The main midfielders should be Williams at second-five, Ioane at centre and Moala being the main backup for both (although I'd rather he focused more on second-five in the long run).
cashead wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if one of the other teams needing a midfielder like the Crusaders might swoop in and snag a couple of them by the end of the season. The Blues did nab Gus Pulu from the Chiefs out of a log-jam of 3 All Black halfbacks there, so turnabout might be fair play here.
They look set to sign Tamanivalu. And, besides, f*ck them. They hoarded first-fives like Scrooge McDuck while the Blues were rudderless for years. So we'll stack up on midfielders and outside backs, and leave them with a popgun backline.

Re: Pumas v All Blacks II: can the juggernaut be stopped?

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:18 pm
by cashead
zer0 wrote:
cashead wrote:Ranger won't be back until next year as well.

Speaking of Ranger, the Blues midfield next year is going to be ridiculously stacked.

Piers Francis, George Moala, SBW, Ranger, Rieko Ioane, Michael Little and possibly Male Sa'u. Something is going to have to give, basically. Some can be placed on the wing like Ranger, Ioane and Moala, but you've also got Matt Duffie and Lolagi Visinia.
Having seen the writing on the wall, Francis is aiming to move in to first-five. Meanwhile Ranger is 30, so should not be wasted in the midfield. The main midfielders should be Williams at second-five, Ioane at centre and Moala being the main backup for both (although I'd rather he focused more on second-five in the long run).
Personally, I think Francis' best position at the Super Rugby level is at 12 as a second playmaker, and having him at 12 saw a marked improvement in the Blues backline. He's also definitely the most reliable goalkicker available. If he has to be at 10, I'd probably place him there, with SBW at 12 and Moala at 13, with Ioane at 11, while juggling Duffie, Visinia and Nanai at 14/15.

zer0 wrote:
cashead wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if one of the other teams needing a midfielder like the Crusaders might swoop in and snag a couple of them by the end of the season. The Blues did nab Gus Pulu from the Chiefs out of a log-jam of 3 All Black halfbacks there, so turnabout might be fair play here.
They look set to sign Tamanivalu. And, besides, f*ck them. They hoarded first-fives like Scrooge McDuck while the Blues were rudderless for years. So we'll stack up on midfielders and outside backs, and leave them with a popgun backline.
As nice as it would be to have so much talent there, I do think that the younger crowd like Moala and Ioane would get a lot more out of being in a team where they're likely to get regular game time at 13, so I genuinely can't say I'd begrudge them if they choose to head south.