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Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:29 am
by Digby
Banquo wrote:Digby wrote:Garvey would be pretty much my 1st pick in the Bath back row given he offers, as WT says, something different. Faletau is maybe the best player, but Grant and increasingly Mercer will do a job there if needed. Whether Bath rate Garvey that much I don't know, different management now of course but this is the same genius club that picked Burgess ahead of Garvey and binned a better chance to win the AP
takes all sorts I suppose. Gritty.
Yes, balance too. Though for Bath I do wonder if Garvey is what you'd want if you want a fast wide game supported by the 2-4-2 spread of forwards.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:31 am
by Banquo
Digby wrote:Banquo wrote:Digby wrote:Garvey would be pretty much my 1st pick in the Bath back row given he offers, as WT says, something different. Faletau is maybe the best player, but Grant and increasingly Mercer will do a job there if needed. Whether Bath rate Garvey that much I don't know, different management now of course but this is the same genius club that picked Burgess ahead of Garvey and binned a better chance to win the AP
takes all sorts I suppose. Gritty.
Yes, balance too. Though for Bath I do wonder if Garvey is what you'd want if you want a fast wide game supported by the 2-4-2 spread of forwards.
I like him as a lock.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:39 am
by Digby
Banquo wrote:Digby wrote:Banquo wrote:
takes all sorts I suppose. Gritty.
Yes, balance too. Though for Bath I do wonder if Garvey is what you'd want if you want a fast wide game supported by the 2-4-2 spread of forwards.
I like him as a lock.
Me too, but you'd want a serious option in the backrow at the lineout, which at present would be Grant? It's not quite like Garvey is the diet version of Craig Quinnell at the lineout, but he's maybe not far off. If you had Tom Croft in the lineout then Garvey at lock makes a lot of sense, but Bath don't have that, no on really does.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:40 am
by Banquo
Digby wrote:Banquo wrote:Digby wrote:
Yes, balance too. Though for Bath I do wonder if Garvey is what you'd want if you want a fast wide game supported by the 2-4-2 spread of forwards.
I like him as a lock.
Me too, but you'd want a serious option in the backrow at the lineout, which at present would be Grant? It's not quite like Garvey is the diet version of Craig Quinnell at the lineout, but he's maybe not far off. If you had Tom Croft in the lineout then Garvey at lock makes a lot of sense, but Bath don't have that, no on really does.
True. But I was thinking about the Original Topic.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:43 am
by Digby
Banquo wrote:
True. But I was thinking about the Original Topic.
Feel free to ignore that, it was only Raggs' idea. And he's an evil man who only a couple of days back all but suggested I go all Godfather this Christmas and put a dead horse's head in my daughter's bed as a Christmas present, the man has issues.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:38 am
by Raggs
Digby wrote:Banquo wrote:
True. But I was thinking about the Original Topic.
Feel free to ignore that, it was only Raggs' idea. And he's an evil man who only a couple of days back all but suggested I go all Godfather this Christmas and put a dead horse's head in my daughter's bed as a Christmas present, the man has issues.
I can only partially deny that, there was no mention of any bed.
Ellis is a good call btw. Perhaps a solid choice for the 20 shirt.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:42 am
by Digby
Raggs wrote:Digby wrote:Banquo wrote:
True. But I was thinking about the Original Topic.
Feel free to ignore that, it was only Raggs' idea. And he's an evil man who only a couple of days back all but suggested I go all Godfather this Christmas and put a dead horse's head in my daughter's bed as a Christmas present, the man has issues.
I can only partially deny that, there was no mention of any bed.
Ellis is a good call btw. Perhaps a solid choice for the 20 shirt.
I don't have too many references to go to when someone suggests giving a dead horse as a present. So as it was I went to the mattresses (ba dum tss)
Is Ben Nutley still alive? he might offer something different off the bench in the 20 shirt
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:54 pm
by kk67
I don't get to see him much but I understand Gaskell is still playing. Big Dave Seymour, Tom Youngs......
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:59 pm
by Adam_P
I don't think Tom Youngs would be anywhere near as budget as he should be
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:25 am
by kk67
Hmmmm. The game changed in 2013.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:42 am
by Raggs
kk67 wrote:I don't get to see him much but I understand Gaskell is still playing. Big Dave Seymour, Tom Youngs......
Gaskell has been injured since the start of the season, and has just come back, had a great 1st game back against Leicester. Wasps have a number of at least solid AP players now, hence my thought of poaching 2 of the lowest rated.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:06 pm
by kk67
I reckon I could assemble a decent budget pack.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:24 pm
by I R Geech
Jack Willis has looked excellent for Wasps. Can't imagine you'd need to rummage down the back of the couch for too long to afford him.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:55 am
by Raggs
Willis has looked good, but if you were a freshly promoted side, who needed to be as sure of survival as possible, would you really go for a first season 21 year old flanker?
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:26 am
by Tom Moore
Raggs wrote:Willis has looked good, but if you were a freshly promoted side, who needed to be as sure of survival as possible, would you really go for a first season 21 year old flanker?
Also, would Wasps part with him?
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:29 am
by Raggs
Tom Moore wrote:Raggs wrote:Willis has looked good, but if you were a freshly promoted side, who needed to be as sure of survival as possible, would you really go for a first season 21 year old flanker?
Also, would Wasps part with him?
If someone offered silly money, they might not be willing to take the risk, but I don't think that any other club would reasonably value him higher, especially considering he helps boost Wasps ex-academy salary cap boost.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:34 am
by Puja
I R Geech wrote:Jack Willis has looked excellent for Wasps. Can't imagine you'd need to rummage down the back of the couch for too long to afford him.
Can't imagine Wasps would be particularly keen to relinquish one of their future stars?
Puja
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:08 pm
by I R Geech
That wasn't the question though, not that that matters around here...
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:12 pm
by Raggs
I R Geech wrote:That wasn't the question though, not that that matters around here...
The question did include however:
Trying to avoid young hopefuls who've not really proven themselves, and also people you think could stand up, but haven't actually played AP yet etc.
I'd definitely include Willis as not really proven. Certainly plenty of promise, but less than half a season, with mostly bench appearances, is not a sure thing to survive relegation and gel towards top 6.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:48 pm
by Tigersman
Puja wrote:I R Geech wrote:Jack Willis has looked excellent for Wasps. Can't imagine you'd need to rummage down the back of the couch for too long to afford him.
Can't imagine Wasps would be particularly keen to relinquish one of their future stars?
Puja
It depends what Wasps are doing signings wise.
Willis shouldn't leave yet as would be a perfect replacement for Haskell but if Wasps decide to sign someone to replace Hask then who knows.
What's the deal with Sam Jones aswell?
If you where after a young 7 Ludlam or Evans would be easier targets.
Re: Build a "budget" top 6 pack
Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:01 am
by I R Geech
Raggs wrote:I R Geech wrote:That wasn't the question though, not that that matters around here...
The question did include however:
Trying to avoid young hopefuls who've not really proven themselves, and also people you think could stand up, but haven't actually played AP yet etc.
I'd definitely include Willis as not really proven. Certainly plenty of promise, but less than half a season, with mostly bench appearances, is not a sure thing to survive relegation and gel towards top 6.
I stand corrected.