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Raggs wrote:Withdrawn by Sale seems a bit odd?
At a guess, I'd suggest PRL rules on playing outsidde of IRB9.
Possibly the Newcastle pair to do likewise; possibly Newcastle preferring to take their £60k fine and keep the players happy - although they're both lat additions, so that might get them through.

ETA: If that was the casem, surely McGinty would sit out, but stay with the squad?
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Which Tyler wrote:
Raggs wrote:Withdrawn by Sale seems a bit odd?
At a guess, I'd suggest PRL rules on playing outsidde of IRB9.
Possibly the Newcastle pair to do likewise; possibly Newcastle preferring to take their £60k fine and keep the players happy - although they're both lat additions, so that might get them through.

ETA: If that was the casem, surely McGinty would sit out, but stay with the squad?
Nah, Baabaas is a spectacle, not international release. Plenty of PRL players have played baabaas in this game before, I'm sure.
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They have I also remember some being withdrawn. And the odd one here and there who was withdrawn, and told his club where to stick it (and they don't get much odder than Ronnie Regan).

I just can't think of any other reason that a club with no more matches would withdraw a player from a BaaBaas squad; especially if they're giving no further information.
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Mark Reagan played a BaaBaas game when his club could have used him, and that drew censure. Blocking players when they clubs don't have games is a little different, but if he has a niggle that could turn into worse then for me the club are just being professional.

I find it hard to think we should be worried about IRB9 when there's a game Vs us at HQ
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Digby wrote:Mark Reagan played a BaaBaas game when his club could have used him, and that drew censure. Blocking players when they clubs don't have games is a little different, but if he has a niggle that could turn into worse then for me the club are just being professional.

I find it hard to think we should be worried about IRB9 when there's a game Vs us at HQ
If that's the case, then withdraw injured
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He might not quite be injured as such, though it might be the more political course to state it as such
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Raggs wrote: Bad News - Withdrawals

Aki / Piutau (Injured)
MacGinty withdrawn by Sale

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Withdrawn by Sale seems a bit odd?
They're technically entitled to do it - it's outside the international release days and they could be wanting to restrict his risk of injury. However, it appears to be another dick move from a club that's becoming increasingly hard to like.

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Against which how much do the BaaBaas pay for player release and why should clubs release their assets even if there is payment?
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Let’s be honest though. Who do you want to watch okay for the barbarians, McGinty or Russell?
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Absent of watching it live I can't see the point of watching the BaaBaas game
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Banquo wrote:
fivepointer wrote:Smith's retention just really irritates me. He's been named in the U20 squad and thats where he should be. There's no point naming him unless he isnt going to be a key member of the team out in France.
For all his undoubted talent, he is not going to make the RWC.
far better to concentrate on people who might. Which brings me to my next irritation: Cips named as a full back. This is just f******* stupid. Over the season Cips has been by far the best FH in England. He needs to play in his proper position to make a case for longer term selection. Eddie could easily have named him as an "inside back" and used him as a ready made club half back pairing with Robson, who is set to play some part. Youngs and Ford to start with Cips and Robson on the bench. What is there not to like about that option?
this
Totes. But preaching to the choir. Sounds like quite a few of us are getting seriously pissed off with Eddie. As predicted by the SH posters.
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If Cipriani can cover 15 he makes naming a RWC squad much, much easier. Okay it makes a mockery of certain other claims Eddie has made, but I can quite see why he wants to see if some players can offer him multiple options
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Digby wrote:If Cipriani can cover 15 he makes naming a RWC squad much, much easier. Okay it makes a mockery of certain other claims Eddie has made, but I can quite see why he wants to see if some players can offer him multiple options
If Cips covers 15, he could easily be the 3rd 10 in the squad. Ford is a 10 only, Farrell covers 10/12, having Cips to cover 10/15 would be handy. If it works, the FBs will be Brown and Watson, mind.

So long as he plays 10 at some point against SA, I see no problem with him playing 15, too. And if it means we get to see Ford with an actual 12 outside him, all the better.
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You should draft a few more 10s into the wider squad. You don't want to appear too conservative.
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To be honest I'm more concerned that we may not have enough apprentii.
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Eddies dream pack
1. Stooke, 2. Ewels, 3. Attwood
4. Isiewke, 5. Launchbury
6. Lawes, 7. Kruis, 8. Itoje

Eddies dream backline
9. Smith, 10. Ford
12. Farrell, 13. Redpath
11. Cipriani, 14. Lozowski, 15. Slade
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Does the BaaBaas count as an international if it doesn't award caps? So is this a loophole to get around IRB9?

It's an invitational side, so whoever receives that invitation presumably needs to clear it with their employer.

N.B: As a Wasps fan, the irony of talking about invitations and accepting them or not after the furore caused by a soon-to-be-ex player this past week is not lost on me
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Peej wrote:Does the BaaBaas count as an international if it doesn't award caps? So is this a loophole to get around IRB9?

It's an invitational side, so whoever receives that invitation presumably needs to clear it with their employer.

N.B: As a Wasps fan, the irony of talking about invitations and accepting them or not after the furore caused by a soon-to-be-ex player this past week is not lost on me
Agree, but it should be cleared with the employer first, before the invitation is annouced so that there is not all this chopping and changing. It is still something of an honour to play for the Barbarians. Imagine what it means to a player like McGinty to be selected, only to find that your club will then not let you play. I know the game is all hard nosed professional now, there are injury worries etc.., but at this stage of the season Sale has nothing to play for. Would it have hurt to allow the lad a run and a great rugby experience?
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Spiffy wrote:
Peej wrote:Does the BaaBaas count as an international if it doesn't award caps? So is this a loophole to get around IRB9?

It's an invitational side, so whoever receives that invitation presumably needs to clear it with their employer.

N.B: As a Wasps fan, the irony of talking about invitations and accepting them or not after the furore caused by a soon-to-be-ex player this past week is not lost on me
Agree, but it should be cleared with the employer first, before the invitation is annouced so that there is not all this chopping and changing. It is still something of an honour to play for the Barbarians. Imagine what it means to a player like McGinty to be selected, only to find that your club will then not let you play. I know the game is all hard nosed professional now, there are injury worries etc.., but at this stage of the season Sale has nothing to play for. Would it have hurt to allow the lad a run and a great rugby experience?
Sale announced his selection on their website and social media before pulling him. It’s all very strange.
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That is all rather odd. Maybe a medical showed some underlying issues that would be better off getting fixed ASAP, so he can get back to training for pre-season?
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That can only be it. Otherwise it's just looks petty on behalf of Sale. Seems a bit of a jibe from the BaaBaas though to say specifically that he was withdrawn by the club.
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Sale in acting like complete ****s shocker.
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Peej wrote:That can only be it. Otherwise it's just looks petty on behalf of Sale. Seems a bit of a jibe from the BaaBaas though to say specifically that he was withdrawn by the club.
What are they supposed to say? If they say AJ MacGinty has withdrawn, it makes out he did it himself. If it's the truth, say it. They've not added reasons etc, which may have made a difference either way.
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Where’s the fucking team? Isn’t this game on Sunday?
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Quilter Cup: England side to play Barbarians

15 Elliot Daly (Wasps)
14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
13 Henry Trinder (Gloucester Rugby)
12 Piers Francis (Northampton Saints)
11 Mike Brown (Harlequins)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

1 Joe Marler (Harlequins)
2 Jack Singleton (Worcester Warriors)
3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
4 Elliott Stooke (Bath Rugby)
5 Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
6 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
8 Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby)

Finishers

16 George McGuigan (Leicester Tigers)
17 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
18 Nick Schonert (Worcester Warriors)
19 Josh Beaumont (Sale Sharks)
20 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
21 Dan Robson (Wasps)
22 Danny Cipriani (Wasps)
23 Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks)
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